No Italian and Japanese tank DLC?

[-JBurke-]

I too would like to see the Japanese get 3D models for their tanks.

absolutely this!
As japan or italy you just dont have the need/resources to build alot of tanks. Its more like caf and inf

They had enough resources to build them but Japan never really saw the need for large tanks since their possessions were fortified on islands with a focus on the navy stopping landings before they began and the other two theatres of combat (China and Burma) also had a very minimal requirement for armoured support; Burma isn't exactly the most hospitable and to hold China for the longest time only air support was required. You don't build the 2 largest battleships the world has ever seen and the worlds first super carrier (which was actually another Yamato-class they didn't finish) on a short resource budget. In addition to that they had A-150 planned which would have been even bigger. They just simply had a different focus and a lack of fuel, not a lack of know how or the resources to build them.

 

[alexchau]

Most of Japanese advanced tanks are kept in their homeland Japan for the defence of potential US naval assault. That's why, Japanese tanks dont saw lot of action in other Asian nations.

 

[amgediusjupiter]

mind you. Indo have lot of oil for tank production over there not to mention the lucrative rubber for aircraft. Unless you want to priortise all your oil for naval production.

Ok, thanks for that =)
Yeah sure its been a long time for me since I ve played Hoi3 haha
But as japan when I remember right I focussed more on naval and it was enough for me to build inf+cav to rush the chinese.

 

[Admiral Piett]

The IJA's, and I assume the Italian Army's, equipment issues were tied more to industry and the availability of resources than to a lack of know-how. Japan didn't develop a massive and modern tank force after the mid-1930s because:

1. The IJA had extremely strict weight limits for their tank designs because these things needed to be transported overseas in numbers to fight anywhere. You can't transport dozens of Tiger Is by sea constantly without putting enormous strain on your available transport tonnage. This is also one of the reasons why many heavier late-war Japanese designs were kept in defence of the mainland: they didn't have the transport tonnage to send them overseas even if they wanted to.

2. Japan had limited heavy industry and raw resources that it ultimately, and rightly, diverted to aircraft and naval construction.

3. The IJA considered the dubious value of a highly mechanised army in the nightmarish logistical environment and mostly crappy tank country of China, Southeast Asia, etc. East Asia is the last place you want large mechanized formations outside the North China Plain and parts of Manchuria. Such a force would have been nice to have against the Soviets in Manchuria and Siberia, but the amount of resources that would have been required to create it was absurd. Not to mention the IJN sure as heck wasn't going to hand over their resource allocations to help the army out.

4. Their tanks were good enough against the main enemy they were fighting (the Chinese), and did fine against early American light tanks. By the time the Americans started sending thicker-skinned stuff like M4s ashore, the Japanese had much bigger problems than developing tanks to deal with them.

5. Tanks were less useful in defence of small islands than just ordering more artillery and other forms of firepower. The main difference between a tank and an artillery piece or AT gun is the mobility of the former, which isn't needed when you are defending fixed positions.

Anyway, it is disappointing Italy and Japan didn't get some kind of unit pack along with the other majors. They didn't necessarily need to be unique tank models. They could have gotten a naval or air pack instead.

 

[amgediusjupiter]

I too would like to see the Japanese get 3D models for their tanks.


They had enough resources to build them but Japan never really saw the need for large tanks since their possessions were fortified on islands with a focus on the navy stopping landings before they began and the other two theatres of combat (China and Burma) also had a very minimal requirement for armoured support; Burma isn't exactly the most hospitable and to hold China for the longest time only air support was required. You don't build the 2 largest battleships the world has ever seen and the worlds first super carrier (which was actually another Yamato-class they didn't finish) on a short resource budget. In addition to that they had A-150 planned which would have been even bigger. They just simply had a different focus and a lack of fuel, not a lack of know how or the resources to build them.

exactly, very true and good Job Sir.
Thats the mainreason why I would not recommend as Japan to focuss on tankheavy production.

 

[alexchau]

The IJA's, and I assume the Italian Army's, equipment issues were tied more to industry and the availability of resources than to a lack of know-how. Japan didn't develop a massive and modern tank force after the mid-1930s because:

1. The IJA had extremely strict weight limits for their tank designs because these things needed to be transported overseas in numbers to fight anywhere. You can't transport dozens of Tiger Is by sea constantly without putting enormous strain on your available transport tonnage. This is also one of the reasons why many heavier late-war Japanese designs were kept in defence of the mainland: they didn't have the transport tonnage to send them overseas even if they wanted to.

2. Japan had limited heavy industry and raw resources that it ultimately, and rightly, diverted to aircraft and naval construction.

3. The IJA considered the dubious value of a highly mechanised army in the nightmarish logistical environment and mostly crappy tank country of China, Southeast Asia, etc. East Asia is the last place you want large mechanized formations outside the North China Plain and parts of Manchuria. Such a force would have been nice to have against the Soviets in Manchuria and Siberia, but the amount of resources that would have been required to create it was absurd. Not to mention the IJN sure as heck wasn't going to hand over their resource allocations to help the army out.

4. Their tanks were good enough against the main enemy they were fighting (the Chinese), and did fine against early American light tanks. By the time the Americans started sending thicker-skinned stuff like M4s ashore, the Japanese had much bigger problems than developing tanks to deal with them.

5. Tanks were less useful in defence of small islands than just ordering more artillery and other forms of firepower. The main difference between a tank and an artillery piece or AT gun is the mobility of the former, which isn't needed when you are defending fixed positions.

Anyway, it is disappointing Italy and Japan didn't get some kind of unit pack along with the other majors. They didn't necessarily need to be unique tank models. They could have gotten a naval or air pack instead.

Japanese Type 3 Chi Nu was designed to counter US Sherman and IJA have armour divisions armed with ful Chi Nu but most of the division are reserved for the defence of the homeland.

 

[Novatheorem]

Anyway, it is disappointing Italy and Japan didn't get some kind of unit pack along with the other majors. They didn't necessarily need to be unique tank models. They could have gotten a naval or air pack instead.

Agreed, but I'm holding out hope that this was tank pack 1, and they'll do an air pack 1 and naval pack 1. That's sort of how they did HoI3 Sprite Packs, and has precedent from P'dox's other games.

We'll see.