The same reason Diablo has a permadeath mode even though you could simply delete your character after you die.
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No Ironman. This was a mistake.
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"Noooo now everyone will use a mod that unlocks all achievements, it will ruin everything!"
Meanwhile almost a month after release:
Most hard achievements still have less than 1% of completion, like in other games with Ironman
Most people don't care about achievements, or don't care about cheating to get them, to the point it has basically no influence on statistics. Simple as
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I’ve got to say, because we don’t need Ironman for achievements I have been hitting them hard. Lots of fun runs. I’ve even been able to use a few mods to fix things like Pondicherry being a treaty port, and transferring states to vassals for tidier borders!
Gatekeeping is unevessary…
Gatekeeping is unevessary…
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What's so difficult to understand? It doesn't have a purpose and it never had one. Nothing changed except I can get Achievements while playing with mods instead of scumming and scamming Vanilla.
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Meh. I don't care about your snarl.
Personally, I'd like to see Ironman actually be worth somerthing.
Whatever the case, I tried to reach a middle ground and it seems you or a few others aren't interested. C'est la vie.
Sometimes, the quest for a "golden mean" leads to more of a pyrite mean.
Some people aren't satisfied because you're trying to play nice with the people who they see as wanting to "dilute" achievements.
Some people aren't satisfied because you're trying to play nice with the people who don't want achievements to be "diluted".
Some people aren't satisfied because the "bronze star" part of your proposal only holds water in the way that the part-constructed Thames Tunnel did.
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To be frank, the only Steam achievements I’ve ever cared about have been Paradox achievements. They are one of the reasons why I continue playing the games, as I like clear-cut goals which I can kind of receive something from afterwards.
It’s nice seeing the notification of a friend in Steam finishing a PDX achievement, sometimes I end up asking them about it, because the runs are generally long-ish projects.
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Which puts you in a minority instantly
In PDS grand strategy titles, the collection rate for what in any other studio's output would be "have you even played the game with your Steam client online?"-tier achievements is below 40%.
I like achievements. I like that they give me incentive to play countries or in ways I wouldn't necessarily thought about. I like to have to plan around them to get hem fair and square. And I feel satisfaction when I unlock them.
Now, I have been on a long achievement hunt on Stellaris, which means hundered of hours of Ironman unmodded games and as much pain and suffering, throwing games because I clicked too fast and selected the wrong thing or lost attention for a bit in the middle of a numbing game. Being condemned to play max size/max fallen empires only in the hope I'll finally see a war in heaven. To play marathon games at lower speed to keep everything under control. Not daring to take an option or a move because while it looks fun, I'm unsure what the consequences will be. I have countless examples. And worst, seeing every one else having fun with mods that improve the AI and make the game more exciting, but being barred from them if I want my precious achievements.
So yeah, when I realized V3 achievements where not tied to ironman and mods were allowed, I may have cried of relief a little.
Now, I have been on a long achievement hunt on Stellaris, which means hundered of hours of Ironman unmodded games and as much pain and suffering, throwing games because I clicked too fast and selected the wrong thing or lost attention for a bit in the middle of a numbing game. Being condemned to play max size/max fallen empires only in the hope I'll finally see a war in heaven. To play marathon games at lower speed to keep everything under control. Not daring to take an option or a move because while it looks fun, I'm unsure what the consequences will be. I have countless examples. And worst, seeing every one else having fun with mods that improve the AI and make the game more exciting, but being barred from them if I want my precious achievements.
So yeah, when I realized V3 achievements where not tied to ironman and mods were allowed, I may have cried of relief a little.
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No Ironman really wasn't a mistake. First Paradox game I've got over 50% of them!
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Achievements were added on EU4 (or 3?) so please, don't lie, stop trolling little Balbo.
Playing on ironman (at least for EU4, CK2 was nastier) just meant save scumming, mysterious "crashes", and dealing with long load times and frequent backups. It's ok as a challenge mode, as an achievement requirement I don't miss it in the least.
The possibility of "easy mode" mods is more worrisome, but like you could always outright cheat achievements and the popular mods I've seen make the game harder, not easier. If anything I kind of feel like a scrub getting achievements without using the AI mod, but then again I've heard it can be really hard with minors, and I had half the achievements before I heard it existed.
The possibility of "easy mode" mods is more worrisome, but like you could always outright cheat achievements and the popular mods I've seen make the game harder, not easier. If anything I kind of feel like a scrub getting achievements without using the AI mod, but then again I've heard it can be really hard with minors, and I had half the achievements before I heard it existed.
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What you proposed is not a middle ground. You proposed the developers doing a bunch of extra work for no reason.
Here's the deal. Want to get achievements while playing without mods? You can already do this. Want to get achievements while playing ironman? You can already do this. No extra work by the developers needed.
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