That seems like a really good event. I'm impressed at how well you can get the general ebb and flow of the civil war just through some well designed events.
That is really brutal, especially since every province you take from the Whites just lengthens your front with the Reds. I was pretty surprised how quickly the Whites collapsed after the non-aggression pact,but that's pretty historical, especially with Makhno cutting their supplies.
As we're getting into the technicality of the game/mod, how do you actually prevent the many tags around from being annexed when they no longer control any VP's like Soviet Ukraine and you yourself just now? How do you even create a country like the Czechoslovak Legion that, as far as I had seen, owned no provinces? Speaking of Ukraine owning no provinces anymore, are you going to continue the AAR, I'd like to see this war fought out till the end, maybe a small bit of redemption for Ukraine...
A true one-struggle moment, if only Ukraine had been this united...
Southern Daghestan is apparently defended by a very colorful coalition of Denikin's opponents. There is Imam Gotinsky's personal regiment, there is a Bolshevik "Red Sharia" Division, the Chechen insurgents, Daghestani Sheikh Uzun-Haji who is primarily known for his impressive war crime record, and uhh.... Armenian Dashnak militia under control of Soviet Azerbaijan? Well then...
What you should have done is propose a ceasefire to the Soviets during which you can hang Makhno, together
Oh umm.. Hello, my old "friend". So nice to see you, again.
Offmap provinces, that's the only way that I know of. Unfortunately, there is only a limited amount of those available in the game, around 10, so you can only get select countries to behave this way.
Haha don't worry I'm definitely planning to continue, this isn't the end just yet.
Lol kind of doubt the Soviets would accept any ceasefire with me under these circumstances XD
This almost makes it sound as if they are map dependent, but I'd wager it's hard-coded and thus unable to be changed
No, because those men next to you aren't actual generals, they're just playing dress up and you're hiding the last one in the closet over there
General, if you were me, would you make peace with yourself?
That is a good point. I suspect it's because the war didn't really have coherent front lines, so when the Whites' best army got destroyed they collapsed. I don't know if you've ever tried it, but AGEOD's Revolution Under Siege really made that clear to me. HOI can't really model that style of warfare, but I think your mod has a satisfying war still.
The Polish position is somewhat worse than it was IRL and the Red were solidly in Eastern Galicia before the resumption of hostilities here (looking at you Tarnopol). What are the conditions for Polish victory in this case? Also, how is the border between Poland and Lithuania going to be resolved, or is this something to be reserved for the post Polish-Soviet war settlement?
Russia makes peace with Finland and the Baltics. Poland will fight, although to be quite honest, I am not quite sure why. Rather, it is not so much that I am unsure why Poland would chose to fight, the timing is what's really weird to me, historically Poland chose to launch its offensive in April 1920. Sure, maybe Pilsudski was unhappy with the Polish eastern frontier at the time and wanted to try his luck at a better deal, or maybe he just felt that the Soviets were insincere in their peace offers and war was inevitable either way, but regardless of his reasons, why did he wait all the way until april 1920 to launch his offensive? At this point, all the Whites were already either crushed or nearly crushed and the civil war was effectively over, so of course once Poland attacked, the Soviets brought their full might to bear against them and the rest is history. As a result of Pilsudski's adventure, Poland barely survived as an independent state, and even then, the frontier they got as a result of the Peace of Riga was still worse than the one they would have probably gotten if they didn't fight at all. Before the offensive, Poland controlled Minsk, Polotsk, Mozyr, and many other places which it would end up losing, and Lenin expressed his willingness to recognize the existing borders before the offensive started. Now had Pilsudski launched his offensive at least a couple of months earlier... things might have gone differently.
But in this game, i seem to be doomed more or less to repeat the course of history, except with what seems to be roughly a half a year delay (October instead of April).
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action = {
name = "We give up!"
...
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, you then use those offmap provinces to create the nations at revolt.txt as any other country? I'm curious, if this happened, you also had specific outcomes for Poland in mind?
Oh yeah, I know that, the most famous example I can think of the the UoB invading German Morocco in Kaiserreich and then National France taking the provinces from the UoB whilst they are still owned by Germany. It's more that I also know that there were some shenannigans between Poland and Lithuania during the RCW over Vilnius, so maybe this was just WAD
Ah, ok, but why is Sweden dragged into this war?
Almost forgot about this question. You can find these guys mostly towards the bottom of the list in Province.csv file in map/Map_1. These are the main ones you can play around with:They sound pretty useful for some ongoing projects I have in mind,
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Oh yeah, I kinda figured that immediately, that Swedish intervention is mostly there to parallel the Deluge (or any Swedish invasion of Poland really, the one of Charles XIII comes to mind too). And gameplay is also a very justified reason. I just don't quite know what kind of stake Sweden had in the Russian Civil War. I do know they supported Finland in the Winter War with equipment and volunteers, but not much more.
Whilst it's not present in later screenshots, why are you at war with Estonia right here? Also, do you have fow turned off, since you normally shouldn't be able to see enemy units as far away as Moscow
In the north, the Poles took Polotsk but immediately ran into severe Soviet resistance and will probably lose it very soon.
Lol, well, the reason why they have a navy at all (it's a tiny navy, couple of cruisers and destroyers i think) is because they've "inherited" it so to speak from the former Imperial Russian Pacific Fleet. The reason why the AI sent it half way across the world... Well you know, AI does what it does, sometimes it's best not to question it lol. Green Ukraine/Transbaikal is a puppet of Japan, and Japan is a member of the Allies, so Japan tends to send parts of its own fleet to Europe and bring their puppet fleets as well. I've seen worse problems - i've seen Transbaikal's troops sent as expeditionary forces to France of all places. Whereas there were actually Russian Expeditionary forces in France during most of the war, this is still not really the intended behavior but rather a bug i still need to fix.
Well, this got me thinking at least, what kind of other alternative history content are you going to/is included? Something like the Baltische Landeswehr winning their revolt against the Latvian and Estonian nationalist governments and holding out against the dominant Russian power till they make peace? Or perhaps even joining forces with the White Movement to take St. Petersburg in return for recognition?
Can't help it, whenever I see Sweden do something like that, I immediately have "Lion From the North" start playing in my head. XD
Don't worry though most of the time Poland still ultimately wins, but they are pretty evenly matched which makes it an interesting contest to watch at least.
Speaking of navy, I can't find the screenshot at the moment but I swear one had a ship from one of the White factions in the lakes between Estonia and Russia, did you add a connection with the Gulf of Bothnia?
derpYup I've been playing with nofog this entire time, i actually mentioned at the start too
