No dynastic heirs? But I have lots of kids!

[barrosyde]

OK...so I love this game...

But...

How come after about 100 years, I suddenly get a warning that the game is going to end because I don't have any dynastic heirs. My current king has plenty of sons and every some of them, including the oldest, have sons. What am I doing wrong...?

 

[Nick B II]

Let me guess:
When you married your Queen it was a betrothal. On the day you turned 16 her dad sent a marriage proposal, which you accepted without reading properly.

The offer was for a matrilineal marriage. The AI always makes these offers as matrilineal when it's betrothed to somebody, and you can't really blame it (you'd offer matrilineal too, if you thought they'd accept), so you really have to be careful. You should have ignored that offer, and offered a normal marriage yourself. They would have accepted.

So you have all kinds of heirs, but they are of their mother's dynasty.

To not lose you have a few options:

1) Go back to the year before you got married and do it right.

2) Maneuver a cadet line into inheriting by switching inheritance laws. Elective works if you've got a cadet line waiting in the wings.

3) Murder your family.

Nick

 

[Leto2626]

I've had this hapen on a smaller scale, lost one of my duchies to another dynasty because I clicked without reading...

Best way now is to get feudal slective as succession law. I hope you didn't change laws in that ruler's reign already

 

[unmerged(502502)]

I have a similar problem in my Irish campaign. I've married a French princess but it says it's a regular marriage and she didn't have children before.

 

[Zireael]

Do these sons have the big drop of blood on the portraits? If yes, then the lack of heirs is a bug. If no, then you married matrilineally...

 

[Wowwars]

Let me guess:
When you married your Queen it was a betrothal. On the day you turned 16 her dad sent a marriage proposal, which you accepted without reading properly.

The offer was for a matrilineal marriage. The AI always makes these offers as matrilineal when it's betrothed to somebody, and you can't really blame it (you'd offer matrilineal too, if you thought they'd accept), so you really have to be careful. You should have ignored that offer, and offered a normal marriage yourself. They would have accepted.

So you have all kinds of heirs, but they are of their mother's dynasty.

To not lose you have a few options:

1) Go back to the year before you got married and do it right.

2) Maneuver a cadet line into inheriting by switching inheritance laws. Elective works if you've got a cadet line waiting in the wings.

3) Murder your family.

Nick

Maybe Robert Baratheon didnt care to see it and just pressed yes

 

[vaca_loca]

Let me guess:
When you married your Queen it was a betrothal. On the day you turned 16 her dad sent a marriage proposal, which you accepted without reading properly.

This. I doubt this is WAI, the betrothal should remain patrilineal or matrilineal as previously agreed.

 

[The_Blind_One]

This. I doubt this is WAI, the betrothal should remain patrilineal or matrilineal as previously agreed.

Not really.

I can understand why the AI does it.

Often you will see this happening if the female you betrothed and try to marry is the direct heir of a title. (ie no sons)

They will send you a matrilinear offer, but you can decline and they will accept your original offer just fine. Just never accept marriage proposals without reading them, and always marry them through your own interface, the little betrothed can marry button at the top works wonders.

 

[Avicenna]

3) Murder your family.

Nick

I have nothing to add to this conversation other than putting 'murdering your family' and then signing off all friendly-like is absolutely hilarious when taken out of context of the game.

 

[AdaChanDesu]

Murder your wife, wed another patrilineally, reproduce -> Problem solved.

 

[moldeh]

Murder your wife, wed another patrilineally, reproduce -> Problem solved.

You still need to have your kids stabbed to death.

 

[vaca_loca]

Not really.

I can understand why the AI does it.

Often you will see this happening if the female you betrothed and try to marry is the direct heir of a title. (ie no sons)

They will send you a matrilinear offer, but you can decline and they will accept your original offer just fine. Just never accept marriage proposals without reading them, and always marry them through your own interface, the little betrothed can marry button at the top works wonders.

I understand why the AI does it and how to avoid it, but the way I see it betrothal is a previously arranged marriage, and something as important as the dynasty of the offspring should be decided before, a patrilineal or matrilineal betrothal, and that has to be respected.

 

[justin6477]

Often you will see this happening if the female you betrothed and try to marry is the direct heir of a title. (ie no sons)

Funny thing is, the daughter will often accept a normal marriage once she's a duchess even when her father or mother would accept nothing less than matrilineal.

 

[DLFebin]

I understand why the AI does it and how to avoid it, but the way I see it betrothal is a previously arranged marriage, and something as important as the dynasty of the offspring should be decided before, a patrilineal or matrilineal betrothal, and that has to be respected.

Yeah, it should. It is very annoying if you found one perfect boy for your daughter, arranged betrothal, but some of his kinsmen died and he became "too high in the line of succession".
After that AI just spams with regular marriage proposal and refuses to do what was promised. And they are also all angry at you when you break the betrothal (though, it is just opinion modifier). Sigh.

 

[Namfuak]

I understand why the AI does it and how to avoid it, but the way I see it betrothal is a previously arranged marriage, and something as important as the dynasty of the offspring should be decided before, a patrilineal or matrilineal betrothal, and that has to be respected.

This, and there should be a penalty for changing a betrothal after the two characters are old enough to be married. A better system might be to allow either liege to ask to renegotiate the betrothal from patrilinearal to matrilinearal or vice versa while at least one child is still underage, but as soon as the younger one turns 16, both lieges are immediately given an option to either continue with or break off the betrothal, no changing allowed.

Maybe Robert Baratheon didnt care to see it and just pressed yes

Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen are all Baratheons (in name, at least).

 

[DLFebin]

Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen are all Baratheons (in name, at least).

Sure, but that was only a joke.

 

[CRUSADERRAE]

In my situation, I play as a King of England, married to a princess of Scotland. Got 9 kids, out of them, I have 4 sons. So, my sons are confirmed to be my heirs. On the other hand, one of my daughters, married to lower-rank man, matrilineally. In order to have their children to be heirs, I granted one of my lands to her spouse. After that they got twins, a boy & a girl. But then my grandson is not a dynastic heir. So, is there any other suggestion to make that "little kid" legitimately an heir to that title?

Anyway, I'm a new member here. ^_^ I've been playing this game for a while now.