Since Sardinia got its own culture (which is fair) Corsica should have it's own culture, they even make a difference between bosnian serbian and craotian culture, while sardinia and corsica speak 2 different languages
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No corsican culture in corsica ?
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I'm honestly not sure what qualifications are used to decide which cultures to include or not in the game. The biggest difference I can think of as to why Sardinia got one and Corsica didn't, is is that Sardinia did have various nominally independent medieval kingdoms over the course of the time period of CK3.
As far as I know Corsica never achieved the type of status or recognition from the Pope that Sardinia did in the same time period. Corsica's only short lived independence occurred in 1755 when they declared independence from Genoa, who then sold Corsica to France so they didn't have to deal with it. Obviously 1755 takes place far outside the scope of CK3's time frame.
While Sardinia and Corsica have 2 different languages, Corsu is closer to Italian than Sardu is, and could be another reason why Corsica looks like it is just represented with the Italian culture. I wouldn't mind a separate Corsican culture, but I can see why it may not have been included or simply overlooked.
As far as I know Corsica never achieved the type of status or recognition from the Pope that Sardinia did in the same time period. Corsica's only short lived independence occurred in 1755 when they declared independence from Genoa, who then sold Corsica to France so they didn't have to deal with it. Obviously 1755 takes place far outside the scope of CK3's time frame.
While Sardinia and Corsica have 2 different languages, Corsu is closer to Italian than Sardu is, and could be another reason why Corsica looks like it is just represented with the Italian culture. I wouldn't mind a separate Corsican culture, but I can see why it may not have been included or simply overlooked.
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This game isn't about representing every opm culture and never has been.
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Sardinians have a rather archaic Latin language and hoard more provinces. If Italian is to be split up, maybe dialects should be used like with Germans?
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The goal is to have the most realistic game
Yes true, i don't know about germans identity and dialects, but CK is very specific with slavic and baltic cultures, so they can do it for italians ones and why not germans, i will not tell anything about germnic things because I don't know, but for exemple bosnian and serbian are almost the same people too, so...
the italian culture could be created if you control lot of italian group provinces just like creating the french culture is in france
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In 867 the language spoken in Corsica would be really similar to toscan in the north, and sardinian in the south.
In 1066 it would be toscan almost everywhere.
Modern corsican is still very close to toscan, and in fact most linguists agree that it's only considered a distinct dialect because it's part of another country. If Corsica was an Italian island, its dialect would probably just be called toscan. What's certain is that modern corsican is derived from medieval toscan - the split happened at some point during the Renaissance. Maybe there was an older corsican dialect that persisted in the 11th century in rural areas, but we don't have evidence for that.
And as a linguist, I think it's important to insist on the fact that the existence of different dialects in Corsica and Sardinia today doesn't have to mean that it was the same situation a millennium ago.
I must also add that culture and languages are different things. Romance-speaking Italians were aware of being the heirs of Rome and members of the same cultural lineage. And in fact, culturally, Corsica wasn't very different from Tuscany. Corsicans would likely have a slightly different accent and some specific traditions, but that's more the kind of variance you can expect between two towns than between two different cultures.
I don't think there's enough evidence for a distinct corsican culture. Maybe it could have sardinian culture in 867 (though that would be a stretch), but that's all. If we're going to give a specific culture to every part of the world that has a specific festival or that has today its own identity, we're going to have 10 000 different cultures in game.
Maybe the same thing can be argue for bosnian but I don't know much about slavic languages/cultures and that's another topic. And if we really want to add cultures, there's more evidence for other divisions of Italian cultures, distinct germanic cultures in Germany or for a picard culture in northern France.
In 1066 it would be toscan almost everywhere.
Modern corsican is still very close to toscan, and in fact most linguists agree that it's only considered a distinct dialect because it's part of another country. If Corsica was an Italian island, its dialect would probably just be called toscan. What's certain is that modern corsican is derived from medieval toscan - the split happened at some point during the Renaissance. Maybe there was an older corsican dialect that persisted in the 11th century in rural areas, but we don't have evidence for that.
And as a linguist, I think it's important to insist on the fact that the existence of different dialects in Corsica and Sardinia today doesn't have to mean that it was the same situation a millennium ago.
I must also add that culture and languages are different things. Romance-speaking Italians were aware of being the heirs of Rome and members of the same cultural lineage. And in fact, culturally, Corsica wasn't very different from Tuscany. Corsicans would likely have a slightly different accent and some specific traditions, but that's more the kind of variance you can expect between two towns than between two different cultures.
I don't think there's enough evidence for a distinct corsican culture. Maybe it could have sardinian culture in 867 (though that would be a stretch), but that's all. If we're going to give a specific culture to every part of the world that has a specific festival or that has today its own identity, we're going to have 10 000 different cultures in game.
Maybe the same thing can be argue for bosnian but I don't know much about slavic languages/cultures and that's another topic. And if we really want to add cultures, there's more evidence for other divisions of Italian cultures, distinct germanic cultures in Germany or for a picard culture in northern France.
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Having their own culture means researching their own cultural innovations, being based on a mainland one is far better. Bosnian, Serbian, and Croatian are needed to help show the 3 distinct cultures that emerged as well as likely having weights to join the 3 different faiths they are famous for
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Yes true if a corsican speaker speak with an italian they can understand each others on simple discussions, both are from old toscan with some other influence for corsica like old language of corsican (which is unknowed) and others italian mainland languages like ligurian.
Yes some Corsican leaders during this time said the were italian but at this time being italian means to be part of a geographical expression and the ones who said that was against france invasion of corsica, even if corsican language is close to modern italian standardized one the culture and history of this island was always to fought against italian mainland domination and a quest of freedom from italian mainland, then against france
Croatian serbian and bosnian got the same culture and language but got rivality due to their faith so the game give the 3 different cultures ...
If we forgot the toscan-like language corsican were always described as different by mainland people and not seen as the same, corsican have a long history of fighting against the mainland dominance, don't eat the same thing, don't do the same music
there is some common point but you can find them in south of france for exemple or even sardinia.
without the language sardinian culture is as far from italian mainland culture as corsican one
I don't know about german things, but yes having an occitan culture in south of france and call the other side just "french" is not good, they should give breton, norman, and picard culture, french culture should be creatable only if you possess many "french" land, having a french cultural identity is an anachronism, only the rulers saw themselves as french and not the roman modern french but as the german frankish
I think spain seems to be like that each historical region with its historical culture
I think we should have toscan culture and sicilian culture too at the start then be able to form the italian culture if possessing different italic regions, all those sub italic culture should be in an italic group or romano-italic to don't hurt sardinians lol
lot of people do not think these are 3 distinct culture but 3 same culture who splited on riligeous purpose and that they are all serbs or let's say yougoslavs since telling to some of them are serbs is hurting them
I will not judge if this is 3 diffrent culture i am just telling this is verry subjective
I do not care if being based on a mainland is easyer since history of corsica inhbitant was always based on being in the mountains not exhange a lot with the mainland and fighting against mainland people
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oh so it is not a religious simulator too, so the game shouldn't be that specific with it we shouldn't have any heresy or whatever
in my opinion the goal is to have the most realistic experience which bring more fun to me
if you don't care about roleplaying and history it is your right if you enjoy playing random rulers with no immersion it is your right, but saying "it is a dynasty simulator, not a culture" is the realy pointless
after all lets remove everything specific of this game since you can rule a dynasty it is enough
ruling with a specific culture is a big part for poeple who enjoy history and roleplaying, it is linked to the dynasty like the religions for people who enjoy all the aspects of the game
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The issue is an issue of granularity. Corsican should be in the Tuscan culture as well. I would really go away from the current culture split Italy to a new one, especiall with the Cisalpine issue.
Sicilian culture is in, but as a melting pot. The south is currently a mixture of greek, berber and lombard culture.
Sicilian culture is in, but as a melting pot. The south is currently a mixture of greek, berber and lombard culture.
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well corsican language can be considered as being part of the toscan group, but the culture of the people is close to the mainland people as sardinians or sicilian are, so if both culture are in the game, corsican could be too, it is not about language since serbo croation is the same language, and bosnian too
as sicily corsica got some greek influences but way less than sicily and some moorish little occupation as you can see from the corsican flag
how you know sicilian culture is in i don't remember it in CK2
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They mentioned it as a melting pot culture that could spring up later in a Dev Diary, Dev Diary 27:
But the issue is, that its a bit unfair. The Cornish and Cumbrian have their own culture but the Corsican have not. I understand where you are coming from but the issue is map wide.
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Ok thanks, and yes it is quite unfair, thanks for understanding
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I can understand you, but you can't present every culture in a game, in some areas its difficult to say where a culture ends and a new begins
I am from Germany, you can easily devide this Country in more than 30 Cultures
My Homecity (Lübeck) was for a long time an Independent City state, we have our own History, we speak the same language as our neighbouring countrys but dont have the "same" Culture as them.
But you can't make every City with "special" Differences a own culture
I am from Germany, you can easily devide this Country in more than 30 Cultures
My Homecity (Lübeck) was for a long time an Independent City state, we have our own History, we speak the same language as our neighbouring countrys but dont have the "same" Culture as them.
But you can't make every City with "special" Differences a own culture
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When you call any German who is not from Bavaria a Bavarian..... not a good ideaSome of them even German.
What I want to say is that you can go much more in Detail when you want to, but it still a game, so....
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When you call any German who is not from Bavaria a Bavarian..... not a good idea
What I want to say is that you can go much more in Detail when you want to, but it still a game, so....
Lets call One Proud Bavarian a Saxon and we will see how he will react.
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To my knowledge, the split of German cultures along the stem ducal lines seems sufficient. One could probably make a case for the introduction of Thuringian and Low Frankish culture, but any additional splits of German culture would be unnecessary for the timespan that the game covers. Or would've Lübeckers have so distinct identity that they need a different culture for an unique name list, technologies, province/title localization, or representation of regional separatism?