No Cores with Imperial Ban?

[tuareg109]

So this is the situation:

I, as Holy Roman Emperor Great Britain, am at war with Finland for the province of Osel, which is NOT their core, and which IS a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

I used the Imperial BAN casus belli (not Imperial Liberation), but when, as part of the peace deal, I took Osel, I didn't gain a core on it. According to literally everything I've read about this casus belli in EU3, I should have gotten a core. The only thing I can think of that might be changing the situation is that, while I AM the Emperor, I am not part of the Empire (London, my capital, isn't in the Empire and never can be, I don't think).

Is this what is stopping me from getting the core on Osel?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

 

[Nessaj]

Correct. Only members of the HRE get cores from (re)conquering HRE territory from non-member states, regardless of casus belli used. Since you're playing as Great Britain there's no way to 'spread' the HRE to the British Isles so if you want to become a full member and not just the emperor you'll have to move your capital to the mainland.

 

[tuareg109]

Correct. Only members of the HRE get cores from (re)conquering HRE territory from non-member states, regardless of casus belli used. Since you're playing as Great Britain there's no way to 'spread' the HRE to the British Isles so if you want to become a full member and not just the emperor you'll have to move your capital to the mainland.

Damn, to me that seems like a terrible thing to overlook in coding. Oh well, thanks for the answer.

 

[Serzis]

Might be a mistake, but in my view it wouldn't really make sense if a non-HRE member could get a permanent core right to HRE land, since it will promptly leave the HRE again when the crown is lost. Henry VIII ran a spectacularly unsuccessful campaign to be elected as HRE, but had he succeeded in getting the throne and then "reconquered" something like eastern France or south-jylland, I can't imagine that his family would be legitimate heirs if the crown reverted back to a german prince.

 

[tuareg109]

Might be a mistake, but in my view it wouldn't really make sense if a non-HRE member could get a permanent core right to HRE land, since it will promptly leave the HRE again when the crown is lost. Henry VIII ran a spectacularly unsuccessful campaign to be elected as HRE, but had he succeeded in getting the throne and then "reconquered" something like eastern France or south-jylland, I can't imagine that his family would be legitimate heirs if the crown reverted back to a german prince.

I've vassalized 6 of the 7 electors. Losing the crown isn't a possibility at this point. I do think it makes sense though that the Emperor himself can get an HRE core. In any case it's not a permanent core unless the province has my culture group. Since it doesn't, if it became a core and then I lost the province to the "next" Emperor (hypothetically speaking, since I'll always be the next Emperor), then it'd stop being a core after 50 years.

 

[Nessaj]

Might be a mistake, but in my view it wouldn't really make sense if a non-HRE member could get a permanent core right to HRE land, since it will promptly leave the HRE again when the crown is lost. Henry VIII ran a spectacularly unsuccessful campaign to be elected as HRE, but had he succeeded in getting the throne and then "reconquered" something like eastern France or south-jylland, I can't imagine that his family would be legitimate heirs if the crown reverted back to a german prince.

Have you played a different game? Non-HRE nations can get permanent cores on HRE lands and even if they are emperor and lose the crown to someone else they still don't lose their HRE land.

I've vassalized 6 of the 7 electors. Losing the crown isn't a possibility at this point. I do think it makes sense though that the Emperor himself can get an HRE core. In any case it's not a permanent core unless the province has my culture group. Since it doesn't, if it became a core and then I lost the province to the "next" Emperor (hypothetically speaking, since I'll always be the next Emperor), then it'd stop being a core after 50 years.

Switching religions without (force)converting the electors is an easy way to lose the emperor title, seeing as they refuse to vote for heretics.

 

[Serzis]

Have you played a different game?

Sigh. "Permanent claim or core based solely on the fact that the land was annexed from another non-HRE member, discounting claims based on time, culture or other factors", if that makes it clearer.

As a general rule, if a post on the internet can be interpreted in two ways (one that doesn't make sense and one that makes more sense), assume that the poster intended the more appropriate or factually correct interpretation, even if you consider the other to have a stronger textual basis in the post. Better to assume basic knowledge rather than ignorance.

 

[tuareg109]

Switching religions without (force)converting the electors is an easy way to lose the emperor title, seeing as they refuse to vote for heretics.

Have you played a different game? [just busting your chops!] Having a different religion than an elector doesn't matter whatsoever if they're your vassal, so I think I'm in the clear. Now that I think of it, though, my heir being a female (as is now the case) introduces that possibility. Damn.

 

[Nessaj]

Have you played a different game? [just busting your chops!] Having a different religion than an elector doesn't matter whatsoever if they're your vassal, so I think I'm in the clear. Now that I think of it, though, my heir being a female (as is now the case) introduces that possibility. Damn.

Oh yeah, that's true. I haven't played the game actively in a long time and my memory said the heretic modifier was just a static -1000 opinion in the elections but after loading up a game it does indeed seem like it goes away if you vassalize the elector.

 

[Havendes]

I am moderately impressed that you become Emperor as King of Britain.
While it seems that being Emperor of the HRE does not require membership, claiming territory through the HRE does require membership.