No convoy raiding for naval bombers?

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On the last WWW it was shown that naval bombers could only be assigned naval attack and port strike missions. Will naval attack missions at least hit convoys in the area? This saddens me because in HOI3 I used naval bombers for convoy raiding as Italy and had much more success with them in that role compared to subs.
 
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I also used my naval bombers for convoy raiding and had great success with them and hope that it will be included in naval attack. I also think that subs are more useful in HoI 4 from what I have seen. But I do agree with you that naval bombers should beable too attack convoy's in their range.
 
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Still a shame if I cant tell them not to attack big scary ships that can shoot back effectively though.

That's good question and the dev dairy 7 Air combat doesn't go into that much detail, and is probably out of date now anyway. I do hope they do another dairy in more depth on the air warfare covering much of the concern's raised.
 
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The whole naval bomber thing has always needed to be separated into two categories, scout and naval attack.

There were few aircraft that could both scout the long ranges on a NAV bomber where it more represents something like naval air command versions of 4 engine bombers/flying boats. Then there is the high naval attack which is more something for a single engine aircraft, and some two/three engined, submarines as the exception of course. Could you image a B-24 trying to attack a battleship? It would be near suicidal, the closest I know of was they trained B-25 pilots to skip bomb ships at an air force base near where I live in WW2.

The best aircraft at doing both roles I know of is the Japanese B5N Kate and Italian SM.79.

A 4 engine naval version of a bomber is not going to be any better than a regular one at port strikes because it is just going to drop bombs from medium or high altitude like a regular one would. Unless they wanted to commit suicide by being a big fat target while low and slow doing a torpedo run.


We need long range scout/ASW aircraft and shorter range actual naval attack planes.
 
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I would still preffer an dedicated convoy raiding mission for naval bombers, so i can explicitly tell them to not engage enemy fleets and only attack convoys, just like with ships. You can tell your ships (and submarines of course) to avoid the enemy fleet and only engage enemy convoys and disengage as soon as the enemy fleet gets into range.
 
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I would still preffer an dedicated convoy raiding mission for naval bombers, so i can explicitly tell them to not engage enemy fleets and only attack convoys, just like with ships. You can tell your ships (and submarines of course) to avoid the enemy fleet and only engage enemy convoys and disengage as soon as the enemy fleet gets into range.

That's a fair point.

But if Prince of Wales wants to get in the way of my Condors as I raid British convoys in the Atlantic, she is more than welcome to do so. We know how well she stands up to naval aviation. ;)
 
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I think they said Naval Strike will target ships in that area. I wish the naval bombers had the same attack options as fleets do so I can concentrate my forces when I want and scatter them when I am searching for and want to hit convoys. It will be interesting to see if RADAR and having ships/subs in the sea zone covered by the naval bombers increases their ability to fix and strike ships.
 
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I think they said Naval Strike will target ships in that area. I wish the naval bombers had the same attack options as fleets do so I can concentrate my forces when I want and scatter them when I am searching for and want to hit convoys. It will be interesting to see if RADAR and having ships/subs in the sea zone covered by the naval bombers increases their ability to fix and strike ships.
radar actively increases detection chance atleast for enemy planes. Since in Hearts of Iron radar works for air, sea and ground i dont see why it should be any different with ships.
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If you build an fully upgraded "super radar" in königsberg (east prussia) you can basicly see the whole soviet front up to moscow. Note that you need to research all radar tech in order to be able to upgrade it to that level.

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