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Has anyone figured out a way to 'start' the Mongol Invasion early by converting to Mongol culture from another steppe people? Playing around in the eastern edges of the map and wondering if I really have to wait a few centuries for Mongols to spawn, or if I can somehow game it on Ironman to spawn a mongol culture NPC...
 
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Except if you convert to mongol culture as nomad and blob the hell out, I don't think you can hasten the mongol invasions. If you play the mongol invaders, I'm not sure you will get any event troups. if you already formed the mongol empire by 1204, the event will pop-up regardless and you'll get claims on mongolia counties (without event troups). If you did not form the mongol empire before the event, I don't know what happens (maybe Temujin forms the mongol empire and gets his event troups, and then I'm not sure it is possible for you to become his vassal since you are emperor tier and unfortunately, there is no mechanic allowing nomads to vassalize other nomads).

Otherwise, I don't think it is possible to start the mongol invasions early.
 
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Except if you convert to mongol culture as nomad and blob the hell out, I don't think you can hasten the mongol invasions. If you play the mongol invaders, I'm not sure you will get any event troups. if you already formed the mongol empire by 1207, the event will pop-up regardless and you'll get claims on mongolia counties (without event troups). If you did not form the mongol empire before the event, I don't know what happens (maybe Temujin forms the mongol empire and gets his event troups, and then I'm not sure it is possible for you to become his vassal since you are emperor tier and unfortunately, there is no mechanic allowing nomads to vassalize other nomads).

Otherwise, I don't think it is possible to start the mongol invasions early.

What's the chance of Mongol Courtiers spawning before the Invasion? That's sort of the crux of the matter as I need to culture switch.
 

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I think Temujin spawns in the 1190's before getting to power in 1204... But this is not what you ask I guess
If there is no mongol realm (if they got wiped out by the Uyghurs at the charlemagne start for instance), I guess there are almost no chance mongol courtiers spawn before Temujin.
 

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You can set Mongol Spawning on random, even in Ironman mode, and you'll still get the achievements.

That's how the Mongols invaded in the middle 9th century in my game.
 
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Converting to mongol culture wouldn't start the mongol invasion. You can sort of become the mongol invasion by creating the mongol empire (which is a decision requiring you to hold a bunch of land as a mongol nomad ruler) but this disables the massive event troop invasion. You have to conquer it all with your basic horde troops, which fortunately once you're that size is not particularly hard.

The thing is, creating the Mongol empire requires you to be a nomad. Feudal or tribal mongol characters can't do it. Nomads also can't change culture (I experimented with this quite a lot when horse lords came out, it is possible to work around and get an heir of a different culture, but the game simply disinherits them meaning your game will end unless you have appropriate culture children). This means the only way to become the Mongol empire is to start as a Mongol culture nomadic character (like the Bayad clan in the Charlemagne start).

As a feudal character, you can certainly convert to Mongol culture (or Khitan culture, which is effectively treated the same by the game) and it's really good (mandatory agnatic succession means very stable realms, you have free raiding and, if you're pagan, you can launch invasions) but it won't have any impact on the mongol invasion itself, except that when they do show up they will obviously like you a bit more for being the same culture.
 

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Nomads also can't change culture (I experimented with this quite a lot when horse lords came out, it is possible to work around and get an heir of a different culture, but the game simply disinherits them meaning your game will end unless you have appropriate culture children). This means the only way to become the Mongol empire is to start as a Mongol culture nomadic character (like the Bayad clan in the Charlemagne start).
I forgot that one. One of the most annoying things with nomads
 

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Except if you convert to mongol culture as nomad and blob the hell out, I don't think you can hasten the mongol invasions. If you play the mongol invaders, I'm not sure you will get any event troups. if you already formed the mongol empire by 1204, the event will pop-up regardless and you'll get claims on mongolia counties (without event troups). If you did not form the mongol empire before the event, I don't know what happens (maybe Temujin forms the mongol empire and gets his event troups, and then I'm not sure it is possible for you to become his vassal since you are emperor tier and unfortunately, there is no mechanic allowing nomads to vassalize other nomads).

Otherwise, I don't think it is possible to start the mongol invasions early.

Wait, so it's possible to cancel the invasion by creating the title yourself beforehand?
 

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If you create the title for yourself, the event will still fire with no event troups for you (but I got a claim on Kara-korum and another county in mongolia since it was held by a khitan khanate)

But basically, you need to be mongol and nomad to create the Mongol Empire title (and as pointed by Surimi, you cannot change you culture if you are nomad); it means that there is no need for Temujin to spawn since the Mongols already invaded a bunch of land as nomads (played by yourself). This stands as a mongol invasion.
Beside, I think that one condition for the mongol horde to trigger is that the Mongol Empire is not yet created but I'm really not sure about that one.

I don't know yet what happens if you settle as the Khagan of the Mongol Empire. I guess the title stays in your hands.
 

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I don't know yet what happens if you settle as the Khagan of the Mongol Empire. I guess the title stays in your hands.

It does not. I've been playing around with this myself.

Basically, it's like any nomad title in that when you settle your primary nomad title sticks with the nomad realm. If the nomad realm no longer exists then the title is simply destroyed.

The only way to go tribal/feudal and keep the Mongol Empire title is to wait for de jure drift to happen, then settle in a region where you will have all of the de jure mongol empire lands and usurp the title.
 

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Interesting thing of note; I was playing a nomad game somewhere over there. I think it was maybe Otuken, but not sure if they are Mongol. At any rate, I was doing well until their invasion with the 100k deathstack. I had neglected to form the Mongol Empire, so I did, and when I did the invasion was halted as the leader became unlanded. The deathstacks disappeared and he appeared in my court a short time later. Nice little turn of events, cause I would never have won that fight otherwise.