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Are you the same Galahad from Shadowbane?
Armor buildings comes later on in the game. YOu can not build armor till the world realizes that armor formations is the way to go.
Armor buildings comes later on in the game. YOu can not build armor till the world realizes that armor formations is the way to go.
found a bug with this as germany i was able to build armor divisions before the armor formations event fired
KILLER BOB said:
Can you give more details on this? What happened?
EDIT: If this happened when end of Czeckoslovakia event fired, it's WAD and not a bug. Germany is allowed to build armor units when CZE is over. Other countries have to wait the start of the war.
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Armour Concentration
This is the Armour Concentration Event firing for other countries......am I correct?
I must admit I was worried upto the fall of Czechoslovakia, although I hung on half suspecting this was the case. I think its a good idea as it stops German players going mad building loads of panzers which is totally ahistorical
Luxor said:
This is the Armour Concentration Event firing for other countries......am I correct?
I must admit I was worried upto the fall of Czechoslovakia, although I hung on half suspecting this was the case. I think its a good idea as it stops German players going mad building loads of panzers which is totally ahistorical
Sir Humphrey said:
This is true for the world. Germany can start building in spring 1939, when Czechs fall.
Personally i feell that the whole cant build armor till a certain event thing is HORRIBLY unrealsitic. the point of hearts of iron is to bend history. to do things YOUR WAY. if you recall other nations of the world thought about developing armored divisions and armored spearhead strategy but the leaders of the nations didnt want that to happen. that was in real history. however, YOU ARE THE LEADER NOW. that means that if you want to spend the time and the initive to develop the things nessisary for armored divisions YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO. germany developed armored divisions because thier leaders reconized the need. well you are the leader/s of france, or whatever that means you could realize how nessisary they are and develop them yourself! hearts of iron is kinda of a "what if" game. what if france attempted to develop armored divisions instead of brigades? they could have very well done that. there is a difference betwean total realizm and forceing players to go EXACTLY to the letter of what happened in history.
ceacar99 said:
There are things that the game engine cannot simulate, like political,economical,social constraints and the like. We, the TRP team, have our vision of the game, therefore we put in those constraints. One of these is the fact that tanks were being used basically as infantry support until Germany showed a new way.
ceacar99 said:
The problem is this is a game and as so you alreayd have insight to what the future is hence you are not restricted by the real mentality of the era in regards to tanks. The AI does not have your for sight and therefore is as historical restricted to what is bound by that time period. You may not like the fact we are actually enforcing these abilities but they are historically accurate and help contain human players to be more in line with what was historically the mentality of that time period. That is why you have people playing Luxemburg and taking over the world because in Vanilla HoI2 there are no restraints and because of that a human player has huge advantages that they should not have.
If you can't deal with this then perhaps you shouldn't play the mod.
I would agree with Lothos and Luxor. Armour was used primarily for infantry support and even then it never even appraoached that of a divisional level.
Lothos said:
Exactly!! I totally agree with Luxor Lothos and Sir H. Some restrictions have to be imposed ceacar99, otherwise with hindsight the only logical weapon technology to be developed would be the atom bomb, as hindsight clearly shows that this weapon technology is the one to have. In the Thirties, it was a very iffy technology to explore with very little practical application in the real world. Hitler for example was not interested in the tech at all as he wanted land to be used for the economic benefit for the Reich as well as Lebensraum, not a lifeless glowing ball of rock floating through the ether of space. And this is where the developers of this mod have tried to but in some realistic 'historical' brakes in regards to armour technology etc, and its been done very well, otherwise you just get 'silliness' ie Germany building nothing but Panzers from 1st January 1936, something that did not happen and could not happen.
Hurrah for TRP!!
Now to download TRP 0.7
well one thing im trying to understand is that before 1939(although i think it should be at least 38 so players can prep for poland as germany) you cannot produce ANY armor? or are all the armored units in brigade form?
things like this are very tough desisions i know.... one of the things that could REALY help is coding the ai to try to gear up when you gear up. so if your building a big and nasty army they will respond according to thier mation's politics. like france will behave defencively and other nations might try interventionism.
like when i played germany and invaded all of the countries north of poland one by one(other than russia) none of them produced any divisions to help against this new threat! what the hell! you'd think that the other nations of the world would be smarter than that!
this also goes for armor. i develop armor and smack the crap outa some nation with it you'd better beleive that the other nations of the world would try to figure out how to deal with it. like if i play poland and try to invade someone with armor the initial shock is over and the ai should start developing anti tank brigades and all that stuff to deal with the new threat. germany with thier armor realy were so sucessfull because of a good timeing for it. they smacked both poland and france with armor almost at once and as a resault they werre the ones that took the bullet so the rest of the world could learn the lession.
so basically what im saying is ALOT better more reactive and less scripted ai could alieviate the situation, however you guys are right. i will admit that at the moment your plan is the best.
things like this are very tough desisions i know.... one of the things that could REALY help is coding the ai to try to gear up when you gear up. so if your building a big and nasty army they will respond according to thier mation's politics. like france will behave defencively and other nations might try interventionism.
like when i played germany and invaded all of the countries north of poland one by one(other than russia) none of them produced any divisions to help against this new threat! what the hell! you'd think that the other nations of the world would be smarter than that!
this also goes for armor. i develop armor and smack the crap outa some nation with it you'd better beleive that the other nations of the world would try to figure out how to deal with it. like if i play poland and try to invade someone with armor the initial shock is over and the ai should start developing anti tank brigades and all that stuff to deal with the new threat. germany with thier armor realy were so sucessfull because of a good timeing for it. they smacked both poland and france with armor almost at once and as a resault they werre the ones that took the bullet so the rest of the world could learn the lession.
so basically what im saying is ALOT better more reactive and less scripted ai could alieviate the situation, however you guys are right. i will admit that at the moment your plan is the best.