No 2nd Polish Soviet war? :(

[Adonnus]

I just watched part of the latest World War Wednesday, and while I can say the game generally impressed me leaving the Soviet invasion of Poland, which according to Wikipedia resulted in about 40,000 battle casualties and 100,000 captured, to the "Germany takes all the land and then gives bits away" event like previous games was a sore disappointment. World in Flames 2 managed to pull off the war without putting the USSR at war with the UK and France so I would have expected more from the very latest game. Hopefully this will be changed before release but if not then it will be a big disappointment for me, and I hope, fans of historical accuracy.

 

[Anichent]

You don't know if thats how its always intended to be.

This game does not follow strict paths. Maybe the Soviets just chose not to invade? Just like Lithuania and Latvia chose to join the Axis.

 

[safe-keeper]

Even in HOI3 this was possible. Just have an event that puts the Soviets at war with Poland, then a second event that triggers immediately after that which cancels the war between the USSR and Allies. Worked in BlackICE.

 

[Adonnus]

You don't know if thats how its always intended to be.

This game does not follow strict paths. Maybe the Soviets just chose not to invade? Just like Lithuania and Latvia chose to join the Axis.

As you can see, there is only one, "claims on Poland." Though you may have a point if that in turn once finished triggers a decision and the AI chose to wait until Germany had finished to demand territory, but I doubt this is the case.

 

[Opanashc]

I looked at Wikipedia. By no stretch could I get 50,000 casualties. SU had less then 1500 dead, mostly from accidents, Poland 3,500 dead soldiers and civilians combined.

 

[Adonnus]

I looked at Wikipedia. By no stretch could I get 50,000 casualties. SU had less then 1500 dead, mostly from accidents, Poland 3,500 dead soldiers and civilians combined.

Different Wikipedia to me? If we go with highest estimates then total casualties here excluding prisoners is 40,000. It was a rough guess without adding things up, I'll change the intro post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

Polish:

3,000–7,000 dead or missing,[1][4]
up to 20,000 wounded.[1][Note 3]
99,149 captured[5]:85

Soviet

1,475–3,000 killed or missing
2,383–10,000 wounded.[Note 4]

 

[Opanashc]

Also, modern estimates of the numbers captured by Red Army stand at ~230,000.
Overall, there wasn't any real shooting. Hardly qualifies as a war, if Khalhin-Gol was not qualified as such in game.

 

[Secret Master]

Also, modern estimates of the numbers captured by Red Army stand at ~230,000.
Overall, there wasn't any real shooting. Hardly qualifies as a war, if Khalhin-Gol was not qualified as such in game.

HOI3 didn't really model the Soviet Japanese conflicts well.

I'd like the battles in the east modeled as real battles and not events. But we'll see.

 

[Adonnus]

Also, modern estimates of the numbers captured by Red Army stand at ~230,000.
Overall, there wasn't any real shooting. Hardly qualifies as a war, if Khalhin-Gol was not qualified as such in game.

Yes, surely 40,000 casualties and an invasion of half a sovereign nation hardly qualifies as a war.

 

[TheDerpyBeagle]

I'd say the main effect on Poland wasn't lost soldiers, rather the loss in morale from already losing to the Germans, only to be invaded by yet another stronger power from your eastern flank. Poland might have fought on a bit longer if the Soviets had not invaded.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Well, atleast poland doesnt straight up join the allies when they are "guaranteed" by the allies, like in HoI III. Sure, historically the soviets invaded poland just as germany did and the allies simply ignored it, but for the gameplay i dont really see it making much difference.

 

[Opanashc]

Yes, surely 40,000 casualties and an invasion of half a sovereign nation hardly qualifies as a war.

Considering that the government of the nation fled before Red Army entered its borders - I would say so. About 5,000 died in total, on both sides. Regrettable, but that's history.

 

[Adonnus]

So no word from the devs on this?