intruder alert said:
well, i am also known as the Crazy Chicken maybe you should read my short AAR and you will understand why?besides, I just wanted to show the Shogun how much I like his AAR
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well, i am also known as the Crazy Chicken maybe you should read my short AAR and you will understand why?besides, I just wanted to show the Shogun how much I like his AAR
Hi Jon. Japan is intriguing to play. Your idea of puppeting Communist China is very intriguing (actually in the real timeline, 3 high ranking members of Japan's puppet government knew Mao personally and 2 were founding members of the CCP)
How did you do it in terms of game mechanics? I'm going to assume it was sue for peace with demands using acceptall or was it coup nation to make them national socialist? Or did you write a custom event?
How did you do it in terms of game mechanics? I'm going to assume it was sue for peace with demands using acceptall or was it coup nation to make them national socialist? Or did you write a custom event?
Intruder Alert: Ah, now I understand. Have no fear, we appreciate geeky 'round these parts
Simon-1979: I will get around to putting that egg in sig (segg?) - sorry!
Nomonhan: Welcome! You're quite right about the links between Japan's Chinese
associates and the CCP, political affiliations in China at this time being somewhat
fluid I got the idea after reading 'Mao - the Unknown Story' by Jung Chang and Steven Halliday, which contains a lot of interesting material on the wheeling
and dealing which went on behind the scenes during the war in China. In particular I was intrigued to find that the Guomindang was riddled with CCP double agents throughout the '30s and '40s, and tried to incorporate that idea.
In game terms, it was very unsubtle, I'm afraid. I battered ComChi into submission, (mostly with interdiction bombing to minimise casualties on both sides) and puppetted them a the peace table. Then skipped that part for AAR purposes. I believe that if the nationalist government had fallen, the consumate pragmatists of the CCP would have been prepared to negotiate, and in this world the Japanese regime is a little less hostile to their idealogy, so both parties compromised. Com Chi has a national socialist cabinet set up in the game files, so why not use it! I had to get those super-experienced troops, and the leaders are good too
I'm not sure when I'm going to be able to post a new update, with the holidays and all (I'll be away from my PC) - So I'm calling this a break until the new year. Seasons greetings to all, and thanks for reading!
See you in 2007 / 1943
Simon-1979: I will get around to putting that egg in sig (segg?) - sorry!
Nomonhan: Welcome! You're quite right about the links between Japan's Chinese
associates and the CCP, political affiliations in China at this time being somewhat
fluid
I got the idea after reading 'Mao - the Unknown Story' by Jung Chang and Steven Halliday, which contains a lot of interesting material on the wheelingand dealing which went on behind the scenes during the war in China. In particular I was intrigued to find that the Guomindang was riddled with CCP double agents throughout the '30s and '40s, and tried to incorporate that idea.
In game terms, it was very unsubtle, I'm afraid. I battered ComChi into submission, (mostly with interdiction bombing to minimise casualties on both sides) and puppetted them a the peace table. Then skipped that part for AAR purposes. I believe that if the nationalist government had fallen, the consumate pragmatists of the CCP would have been prepared to negotiate, and in this world the Japanese regime is a little less hostile to their idealogy, so both parties compromised. Com Chi has a national socialist cabinet set up in the game files, so why not use it! I had to get those super-experienced troops, and the leaders are good too
I'm not sure when I'm going to be able to post a new update, with the holidays and all (I'll be away from my PC) - So I'm calling this a break until the new year. Seasons greetings to all, and thanks for reading!
See you in 2007 / 1943
Uh just read that all, pure awesome, just continue in this way and I will be reading
Jon Young said:I'm not sure when I'm going to be able to post a new update, with the holidays and all (I'll be away from my PC) - So I'm calling this a break until the new year. Seasons greetings to all, and thanks for reading!
See you in 2007 / 1943
So you are takin your AAR-holidays?
well, okay by me, have a nice christmas or whatever - newyears.
We will all be waitin and hope to see a fit and rested Jon Young in the begining of the new year
C U same place in 2007!
well, okay by me, have a nice christmas or whatever - newyears.
We will all be waitin and hope to see a fit and rested Jon Young in the begining of the new year
C U same place in 2007!
Jon, I read the same book, and noticed that Zhang Gutao and Lin Bojiu are already in the game files for Communist China. And deep down underneath I don't think Gutao liked Mao very much. They should have 36 start dates however, just in case the AI for Nat Chi goes haywire and "arrests them all as traitors" in 36 enabling Japan to win in China in 1936.Jon Young said:You're quite right about the links between Japan's Chinese
associates and the CCP, political affiliations in China at this time being somewhat
fluid
and dealing which went on behind the scenes during the war in China. In particular I was intrigued to find that the Guomindang was riddled with CCP double agents throughout the '30s and '40s, and tried to incorporate that idea.
In game terms, it was very unsubtle, I'm afraid. I battered ComChi into submission, (mostly with interdiction bombing to minimise casualties on both sides) and puppetted them a the peace table. Then skipped that part for AAR purposes. I believe that if the nationalist government had fallen, the consumate pragmatists of the CCP would have been prepared to negotiate, and in this world the Japanese regime is a little less hostile to their idealogy, so both parties compromised. Com Chi has a national socialist cabinet set up in the game files, so why not use it! I had to get those super-experienced troops, and the leaders are good too
Since Jon is away, I'll fill you in on the inside dope on the CCP and Wang Jingwei government:
During the KMT/CCP cooperation, Mao actually worked UNDER Wang Jingwei.
Chen Gongbo, who suceeded Wang when he died, was a founding member of the CCP together with Mao. Zhou Fohai was another founding member of the CCP, and he was also highly ranked in the Jingwei government.
First Meeting of CCP
Ever considered giving all of China to your puppet CCP and invading the Soviet Union with the "People's Liberation Army"? (of course too late in your AAR--you've already chosen the path taken by the Strike South Group. Of course you've arrested and executed Richard Sorge as a spy by now.)
I didn't see any National Socialists in the ComChi files. could it be that I'm using Doomsday and you're using an earlier version?
See you next year.
Regards
Pooh...I will certainly miss this, but its return will make the disappointment of back to school a little better
oh come on boys, chill
here have a christmas-egg with sweet-sweet dusgustin egg-nogg inside))
*hands lifeless, spacehusky nomonhan and th3freakie an egg each*
and thanx nomonhan for the info! - its always a plessure for me to see another person interested in a bit of history and get some info on things i dont know so well)
here have a christmas-egg with sweet-sweet dusgustin egg-nogg inside
))*hands lifeless, spacehusky nomonhan and th3freakie an egg each*
and thanx nomonhan for the info! - its always a plessure for me to see another person interested in a bit of history and get some info on things i dont know so well
)
I think you've got the right idea there...
*cracks open christmas ale, puts feet up*
just have to sit back...and wait.
dammit.
*cracks open christmas ale, puts feet up*
just have to sit back...and wait.
dammit.
Edzako: Thanks, glad you're enjoying it!
Th3Freakie: So, Uncle Sam, we meet again... The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master.
Simon-1979: I'll be resting as hard as I can Although since I work I only get a couple of extra days off...
Felkethar: Hmmmm... (1)
Nomonhan: Thanks for the info! Lin Bojiu is Head of State for the National Socialist version of Com Chi IIRC, can't remember whether Zhang Gutao is in there... It occurs to me that they might not be listed as national socialist, but they must be pretty close as I had no problem releasing a national socialist Com Chi. I'm definitely running Doomsday, so I think that must be the explanation.
Lifeless: Hmmmm... (2)
Spacehusky: Hmmmm... (3)
Intruder Alert: Hmmmm... (4)
Well, thanks all for your kind words. Given so much activity all of a sudden, plus the festive spirit, plus LM+ demonstrating how to do it by ending on a big
shiny victory I'm inclined to reconsider. I'm going to try and get one more update posted by the end of the week (half day Friday! W00T!) in order to end on a high note.
No promises, but... awwwww, look at all their little faces. How could I not?
Thanks again for reading
Th3Freakie: So, Uncle Sam, we meet again... The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master.
Simon-1979: I'll be resting as hard as I can
Although since I work I only get a couple of extra days off...Felkethar: Hmmmm... (1)
Nomonhan: Thanks for the info! Lin Bojiu is Head of State for the National Socialist version of Com Chi IIRC, can't remember whether Zhang Gutao is in there... It occurs to me that they might not be listed as national socialist, but they must be pretty close as I had no problem releasing a national socialist Com Chi. I'm definitely running Doomsday, so I think that must be the explanation.
Lifeless: Hmmmm... (2)
Spacehusky: Hmmmm... (3)
Intruder Alert: Hmmmm... (4)
Well, thanks all for your kind words. Given so much activity all of a sudden, plus the festive spirit, plus LM+ demonstrating how to do it by ending on a big
shiny victory I'm inclined to reconsider. I'm going to try and get one more update posted by the end of the week (half day Friday! W00T!) in order to end on a high note.
No promises, but... awwwww, look at all their little faces. How could I not?
Thanks again for reading
ohohohohohohoh - another 2006-update!?!
*crossin' his little fingers and toes - gets down on his knees and looks up towards the sky and folds his hands in prayer.*
- now, Lord - you being the Man and all - I know we aint been talking much since i was dumped into this wierd world of yours - but hey - could we not make some kind 'a deal or somethin - me be waxin' your God-mobile when/if i get up there for like half of eternity - and you give Jon the strengh and will to do another update - what'ta you say, old man - deal!?!?
*crossin' his little fingers and toes - gets down on his knees and looks up towards the sky and folds his hands in prayer.*
- now, Lord - you being the Man and all - I know we aint been talking much since i was dumped into this wierd world of yours - but hey - could we not make some kind 'a deal or somethin - me be waxin' your God-mobile when/if i get up there for like half of eternity - and you give Jon the strengh and will to do another update - what'ta you say, old man - deal!?!?
Jon Young said:Well, thanks all for your kind words. Given so much activity all of a sudden, plus the festive spirit, plus LM+ demonstrating how to do it by ending on a big
shiny victory I'm inclined to reconsider. I'm going to try and get one more update posted by the end of the week (half day Friday! W00T!) in order to end on a high note.
No promises, but... awwwww, look at all their little faces. How could I not?
Thanks again for reading
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HAR HAR HAR HA HAH HAHAHAH
good one th3freakie! - holy shit that little doggie is cute - and it is better than the first - agree 100 percent!
good one th3freakie! - holy shit that little doggie is cute - and it is better than the first - agree 100 percent!
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If you all would permit me to reiterate...
WOO! --followed swiftly by-- HOO!
I knew if I was good ALL year, and kept my belligerence under 48, that Santa would bring me something special!
praise Zog!
WOO! --followed swiftly by-- HOO!
I knew if I was good ALL year, and kept my belligerence under 48, that Santa would bring me something special!
praise Zog!
September 1942 - A victory at last
By the end of the summer of 1942, Australia teetered on the brink of collapse. Their armed forces had endured months of gruelling front line combat against roughly half of the IJA and had lost ground steadily. Due to the sparse population and infrastructure across much of central Australia the population centres were concentrated on the east coast and had fallen some time ago. As the savage battles with the advancing Japanese forces whittled away the reserve of servigeable men there seemed little hope that occupation could be avoided.
Persia was in a similar predicament. They had not fought quite so long, but their army was never as strong as the Australian forces and had been in equally vicious battles. In addition, the impact of constant Japanese bombing raids against British postitions had caused untold damage to Persian infrstructure during the long fighting retreat westwards. The British were already withdrawing the bulk of the Persian army to defend new lines in Iraq, abandoning their unfortunate puppet to its fate.
Eliminating even the furthest-flung and most isolated enemy states had proven an arduous task, but Imperial planning staff had never doubted that it was possible. The bulk of their efforts were currently expended on the vast, swirling triphibious war in the Pacific. There could be no hope of eliminating the threat of american raids at the source, and so a strategy of containment and counterstrike soaked up more and more scarce resources.
In particular, lack of transport fleets remained the single biggest limiting factor on operations. Reserves of combat troops still seemed more than adequate. In order to mount a fresh Pacific offensive on any scale, the IJN needed to gather all available transports, and withdrawing them from Australian waters was the order of the day. General Higashikuni received word that he had little time left to use the ships while advancing northwest of Adelaide...
Increased transport activity in waters not thoroughly cleared caused some embarassment, with a small Australian cruiser group scattering one convoy.
Such incidents were minor inconveniences, however, and were coming less and less often. Soon the laboriously coordinated counterstrikes were driving home, bringing sighs of relief in Japan!
The perceived need to bring the British (and if possible the americans) to the negotiating table in late 1942 had one direct cause: Concern at the highest levels of the Imperial government that the Soviet Union was winning it's war with Germany.
Although no dramatic breakthroughs had occurred on this front for months, the balance of forces favoured the Red Army in such a test of strength. An entire bureau in Tokyo was occupied computing day by day the predicted date of German collapse. If Japan were still to be occupied with its current foes when Stalin got peace it would be a disaster.
If for no other reason than the questionable politics of some Japanese allies...
By the end of the summer of 1942, Australia teetered on the brink of collapse. Their armed forces had endured months of gruelling front line combat against roughly half of the IJA and had lost ground steadily. Due to the sparse population and infrastructure across much of central Australia the population centres were concentrated on the east coast and had fallen some time ago. As the savage battles with the advancing Japanese forces whittled away the reserve of servigeable men there seemed little hope that occupation could be avoided.
Persia was in a similar predicament. They had not fought quite so long, but their army was never as strong as the Australian forces and had been in equally vicious battles. In addition, the impact of constant Japanese bombing raids against British postitions had caused untold damage to Persian infrstructure during the long fighting retreat westwards. The British were already withdrawing the bulk of the Persian army to defend new lines in Iraq, abandoning their unfortunate puppet to its fate.
Eliminating even the furthest-flung and most isolated enemy states had proven an arduous task, but Imperial planning staff had never doubted that it was possible. The bulk of their efforts were currently expended on the vast, swirling triphibious war in the Pacific. There could be no hope of eliminating the threat of american raids at the source, and so a strategy of containment and counterstrike soaked up more and more scarce resources.
In particular, lack of transport fleets remained the single biggest limiting factor on operations. Reserves of combat troops still seemed more than adequate. In order to mount a fresh Pacific offensive on any scale, the IJN needed to gather all available transports, and withdrawing them from Australian waters was the order of the day. General Higashikuni received word that he had little time left to use the ships while advancing northwest of Adelaide...
Increased transport activity in waters not thoroughly cleared caused some embarassment, with a small Australian cruiser group scattering one convoy.
Such incidents were minor inconveniences, however, and were coming less and less often. Soon the laboriously coordinated counterstrikes were driving home, bringing sighs of relief in Japan!
The perceived need to bring the British (and if possible the americans) to the negotiating table in late 1942 had one direct cause: Concern at the highest levels of the Imperial government that the Soviet Union was winning it's war with Germany.
Although no dramatic breakthroughs had occurred on this front for months, the balance of forces favoured the Red Army in such a test of strength. An entire bureau in Tokyo was occupied computing day by day the predicted date of German collapse. If Japan were still to be occupied with its current foes when Stalin got peace it would be a disaster.
If for no other reason than the questionable politics of some Japanese allies...
(Cont.)
With such reduced levels of american naval activity, the Kido Butai finally had time to rest and refit in September, and were soon back on patrol in the Pacific. The IJN defence strategy now was to maintain heavy carrier patrols of the waters near Hawaii and rely on aerial patrols elsewhere in the hopes that the enemy would stick to their established pattern of movements. The problem was essentially that without the Taiho-class carriers of the combined fleet IJN forces elsewhere found it much harder to pin their targets down.
So, by land and sea, the same few battles dragged on through September. In Australia, Persia, New Guinea, around Hawaii and Guam Japanese forces held the upper hand.
While these battles continued, one convoy of troopships was making the short hop from Celebes to Perth. An impatient General Tojo had decided to take matters into his own hands.
Unfortunately his impatience cost the IJA Menado, taken by another american raiding force the day after his army left for Australia.
But in the end this bold strile paid off. As September became October, General Tojo Hideki finished disembarking his troops around Perth and occupied the city.
Australia surrendered the same day. The rescue missions from america and Britain had failed and there were not enough men or enough bullets left to fight any longer. The civil government remained in place, supervised at all times by occupying IJA troops. Many of their soldiers, however, disappeared into the bush or the mountains of New Guinea to continue a guerilla struggle against the Empire...
With such reduced levels of american naval activity, the Kido Butai finally had time to rest and refit in September, and were soon back on patrol in the Pacific. The IJN defence strategy now was to maintain heavy carrier patrols of the waters near Hawaii and rely on aerial patrols elsewhere in the hopes that the enemy would stick to their established pattern of movements. The problem was essentially that without the Taiho-class carriers of the combined fleet IJN forces elsewhere found it much harder to pin their targets down.
So, by land and sea, the same few battles dragged on through September. In Australia, Persia, New Guinea, around Hawaii and Guam Japanese forces held the upper hand.
While these battles continued, one convoy of troopships was making the short hop from Celebes to Perth. An impatient General Tojo had decided to take matters into his own hands.
Unfortunately his impatience cost the IJA Menado, taken by another american raiding force the day after his army left for Australia.
But in the end this bold strile paid off. As September became October, General Tojo Hideki finished disembarking his troops around Perth and occupied the city.
Australia surrendered the same day. The rescue missions from america and Britain had failed and there were not enough men or enough bullets left to fight any longer. The civil government remained in place, supervised at all times by occupying IJA troops. Many of their soldiers, however, disappeared into the bush or the mountains of New Guinea to continue a guerilla struggle against the Empire...
