Nihon Kaizo Hoan Taiko! (A Plan for the Re-organization of Japan)

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Wha...?

So what ya planing to do with the heroic Portuguese colonies?

Umm... well I thought I'd let the Portugese keep them. At least until the serious threats are out of the way. As a fascist state they're a bit of a 'swing vote' and I don't want to run the risk of pushing them into the allies, especially with the Republicans already in power in Spain.

Way I figure it, if the other European empires crumble away, all we'll have to do to get self-determination for the Portuguese colonies is ask nicely

 

[th3freakie]

Umm... well I thought I'd let the Portugese keep them. At least until the serious threats are out of the way. As a fascist state they're a bit of a 'swing vote' and I don't want to run the risk of pushing them into the allies, especially with the Republicans already in power in Spain.

Way I figure it, if the other European empires crumble away, all we'll have to do to get self-determination for the Portuguese colonies is ask nicely

Too bad you can't just take the historical path in HoI2: "We're not at war, but we'll take these anyways"

 

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Too bad you can't just take the historical path in HoI2: "We're not at war, but we'll take these anyways"

Did Japan occupy the Portuguese colonies? That's a new one on me, actually... I assume you mean east Timor?

 

[th3freakie]

Did Japan occupy the Portuguese colonies? That's a new one on me, actually... I assume you mean east Timor?

From wikiepdia

In late 1941 Portuguese Timor was briefly occupied by Dutch and Australian troops, who aimed to thwart the Japanese invasion of the island. The Portuguese Governor protested the invasion, and the Dutch forces returned to the Dutch side of the island. When the Japanese landed and drove the small Australian force out of Dili, the mountainous interior became the scene of a guerrilla campaign, known as the Battle of Timor, waged by Allied forces and Timorese volunteers against the Japanese. The struggle resulted in the deaths of between 40,000 and 70,000 Timorese. Following the end of the war, Portuguese control was reinstated.

Although Macau was kind of "warded"...
from the US Department of State

Macau enjoyed a brief period of economic prosperity during World War II as the only neutral port in South China, after the Japanese occupied Guangzhou (Canton) and Hong Kong. In 1943, Japan created a virtual protectorate over Macau. Japanese domination ended in August 1945.

 

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From wikiepdia


Although Macau was kind of "warded"...
from the US Department of State

Well, you learn something new every day... I do anyway. Thanks, man!

 

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US? Russia? Take out the Germans man! Time for the Europeans to know what it means to be a colony!

 

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I'd vote for going after the Soviets. Stab them in the back when the Germans attack, and secure Siberia for the greater glory of the Emporer...

the SU is, i think, a better target than the US because they're closer, would be distracted with a major (even life-threatening) enemy closer to the SU centers of power, and would prove an easier target...

the problem is building up your ground forces to counter the SU; it'll take a while to research the proper doctrines, raise more divisions, equip them with proper brigade attachments, etc. I think a trap some Japan-players fall into is following the course of RL history and challenging the US. The US will, without a doubt, outproduce and outmuscle any realistic Japan (meaning, no cheating to create uber-Japan), and to paraphrase Yamamoto, you'd have to march clear to Washington, D.C. to end the threat the US poses.

Split up the SU with Germany, and then hope a dominant Germany can invade the UK, and then create a powerful enemy for the US to face across the Atlantic and split their forces...


just my two cents, though....Excellent updates, as usual. Interesting that you got all of Indochina in the event; did you press for more than the historical claims, (meaning, Madacasgar?), or did you play it low-key to avoid any problems?




Lemons

 

[String]

I'd suggest a lot of things, but the game is far into 1945 so we'll have to wait for him to reach that point to give any suggestions. Unless ofcourse 1945 is the year he got annexed

 

[th3freakie]

I'd suggest a lot of things, but the game is far into 1945 so we'll have to wait for him to reach that point to give any suggestions. Unless ofcourse 1945 is the year he got annexed

THAT would be a great AAR

 

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US? Russia? Take out the Germans man! Time for the Europeans to know what it means to be a colony!

Give us time... Germany get's a really interesting war in this history

 

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the SU is, i think, a better target than the US because they're closer, would be distracted with a major (even life-threatening) enemy closer to the SU centers of power, and would prove an easier target...

the problem is building up your ground forces to counter the SU; it'll take a while to research the proper doctrines, raise more divisions, equip them with proper brigade attachments, etc. I think a trap some Japan-players fall into is following the course of RL history and challenging the US. The US will, without a doubt, outproduce and outmuscle any realistic Japan (meaning, no cheating to create uber-Japan), and to paraphrase Yamamoto, you'd have to march clear to Washington, D.C. to end the threat the US poses.

Interesting that you got all of Indochina in the event; did you press for more than the historical claims, (meaning, Madacasgar?), or did you play it low-key to avoid any problems?

Well, unfortunately the SU has a few more tricks up it's sleeve than just requiring the IJA to re-equip... Have you fought the Siberia campaign before (not suggesting you haven't, just wondering)? It's a real pain. The 'corridor' of provinces which have decent infrastructure in narrow, and straddled with mountains and river lines, plus widespread forests to fight through. Then comes winter (at least two )... In short, it's pretty brutal, and it's only towards the end of the campaign that you get any sort of industrial booty for your trouble.

For a nation like Japan, which is chronically short on TC, it's a better idea to fight somewhere nice and hospitable, with high infrastructure and rich, rich factories. Like, oh, I don't know...

With the French colonies... I demanded Indochina. Madagascar is more trouble than it's worth, by a long shot. The only benefit is as a jumping off point to South Africa, and I don't want to send my fleet so far west that they can't get back to home waters in hurry. So yeah, we played that one safe...

 

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THAT would be a great AAR

It would, too. I'd love to do a 'losing' AAR... but I'm too much of a sore loser

 

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Well, unfortunately the SU has a few more tricks up it's sleeve than just requiring the IJA to re-equip... Have you fought the Siberia campaign before (not suggesting you haven't, just wondering)? It's a real pain. The 'corridor' of provinces which have decent infrastructure in narrow, and straddled with mountains and river lines, plus widespread forests to fight through. Then comes winter (at least two )... In short, it's pretty brutal, and it's only towards the end of the campaign that you get any sort of industrial booty for your trouble.

For a nation like Japan, which is chronically short on TC, it's a better idea to fight somewhere nice and hospitable, with high infrastructure and rich, rich factories. Like, oh, I don't know...

Honestly, i've not fought a siberia campaign before. I played Japan early on, when i was new to HOI 1 & 2, and got beat down pretty thoroughly. I tend to go with Germany, the UK, or the US when I play, which means I can give a lower priority to TC concerns. I did forget your post, much earlier, about the TC problems Japan encounters throughout the war; players have to cut their coat to fit the cloth available.

Another question, perhaps to the thread at large: do any advantages that could come to Japan after controlling Siberia outweigh the disadvantages one encounters on the way to obtaining Siberia?

Once again, excellent AAR; as others have said, this makes playing Japan much more interesting and fun. Thanks!


Lemons





ps: i still say a post-war project should be super-submarines that can launch real aircraft, not those piddle little seaplanes from the wikipedia article

 

[Arilou]

US? Russia? Take out the Germans man! Time for the Europeans to know what it means to be a colony!

You mean like I did?

 

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Another question, perhaps to the thread at large: do any advantages that could come to Japan after controlling Siberia outweigh the disadvantages one encounters on the way to obtaining Siberia?

ps: i still say a post-war project should be super-submarines that can launch real aircraft, not those piddle little seaplanes from the wikipedia article

Well... the reason for going to war in Siberia is simple: to break the Red Army. You can approach this in several ways (I've tried them all...)

1) Blitz along the trans-siberian in a 'race for the Urals', in order to knock out a good chunk of the Soviet IC. This is most attractive if the Germans have pushed a long way into russia but seem to have stalled. It tends to leave your lines of communication really strung out, as soviet troops WILL sit for months and march around in the uninhabitable icy wastes of northern siberia before suddenly attacking everywhere.

2) Lauch a broad-front offensive, but cautiously, in order to force more soviet troops to deploy east, weakening the fron against the Germans. This one's a good tactic if you decide to go to war with Stalin at pretty much the same time as the Germans do, while there are still some soviet troops in the far east. You can seriously degreade the red army defences in the west with this tactic, but it means you're bleeding for Hitler... you won't make major gains of your own.

3) Make a land grab. This is the version which you should use if the Germans are clearly going to win anyway, and simply involves an (often completely unnopposed) pounce over the border to yoink as many provinces as poss. Beware! if the bitter peace fires, you don't get to keep any of it except the worthless little strip of the soviet far east.

4)More of a variation on the other tactics - You'll find the USSR much easier to beat if you first head through India and into Persia. It's one thing to have to march from Manchuria to Moscow, quite another to start the campaign within spitting distance of Baku! Sinkiang is another good place. You can strat-deploy your troops out there, then march straight into central asia when the whistle blows, and the terrain there is much easier.

The question of whether removing the Reds as a threat is worth the time and blood it costs depends always on how Germany's looking. This AAR will demonstrate how not to make such a decision

Piddly little seaplane? How dare you!

 

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You mean like I did?

Um.....sure?

 

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You mean like I did?

Don't be too keen to remind us all of your yank-allying antics, fiend!

 

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Piddly little seaplane? How dare you!

come on...three planes was the max load out for the sub, and they had a single pontoon below the fuselage. piddly little seaplane, indeed...

lets see Japanese researchers come up with some real planes and a real submarine-carrier

or just build vstol carriers, and be done with it all...

 

[Spacehusky]

Since Japan has no armor, might I suggest


MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM!!!

And VSTOL mobile suit carriers

 

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Since Japan has no armor, might I suggest

That's a cool pic! makes my screeniepics look lame

We'll keep the VSTOL carrier, it'll give the boys at Kure Shipyards something to aim for They can put it in the breakroom...