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Count Ringworm said:
so, go play something else instead of constantly whining about how hard (in your terms, "unplayable") the games are for you. go frag your buddies in counterstrike or something.

those kind of remarks aren't going to win you any supporters here.

i'm curious as to what you believe is the perfect, playable, bug free game...
this is the first time i "whined" about how "hard" (unplayable does not mean hard) the games were for me.

in my life, i have bought 5 games: Eu, Eu2, HoI, Victoria, Baldur's Gate 2 (and its expansion set/just bought bg2, great game by the way :)).

do these ring any bells?

oh, and i do not care about winning supporters, i'm only criticising my favorite gaming company, so that they can make better games in the future. i'm trying to find people that can write reasonable answers to me, so that we can have an intelligent conversation. but it surely doesn't seem like some people can.

i realize that there is no perfect, playable, bug free game, but rather than saying that it is not possible to make one, trying to make viccy as close to perfect as possible is the better option, isn't it???

please, instead of flaming me for my opinions, try to come up with something more civilized.
 

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Jadelith said:
it is true that 1.02 is quite unplayable.
i reinstalled eu2 right now, and i'll try a WC with venice :)

Hmm, I don't what game I have been playing then with a good deal of my free time. :D

Serious, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is it's an outstanding game that is beyond playable. I am enoying it quite a bit as well.
 

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Jadelith said:
seems like someone has to realize that paradox isn't perfect.

Um, my point was that no engine is perfect.

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so, you think that this game engine is enough to run a game as complex as victoria? i think not. paradox's games are becoming really buggy, and its not the programmers' mistake.

Far from it, Vic is far less buggy than EUII or HoI were.
 

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Jadelith said:
please, instead of flaming me for my opinions, try to come up with something more civilized.

you bring it on yourself.

you stated "i don't know why paradox continues to make games on the same buggy engine". that implies that you think their entire line is buggy, but for some reason you love EU2 and HoI, which use the "same buggy engine".

you are most definately entitled to your opinion. but there is a fine line between giving your opinion and insulting the game creators. you mentioned on two occassions that the basic platform for their product is buggy and that their product is unusable (unplayable in your terms). what did you expect to accomplish there? how are these statements helping them "create better games," as you say? all you succeed in doing is adding to Johan and Company's frustration. they've already experienced enough of it to post about it. do a search and you'll see what i mean.

the problems you brought up are well documented. check the bug forum some time. your chief complaint regarding the partisans is even listed as being fixed in 1.03. many, many people play these games every day, and most actually have fun doing it. that would indicate the games, and this includes victoria, are most definately playable. sure, there are some minor tweaks to be made here and there, but is that really cause to tell them their engine is buggy and unplayable?

i think it is important to remember that paradox is under no obligation to produce patches for any of these games. they could stop today and say "we're done with any released games. all of our time will currently be spent on games in the works." i think it is important to respect the amount of effort they put into these games post-release, which brings me to my next point.

you want civilized? try presenting your arguments in a constructive, civilized manner instead of trolling for support of a faulty argument. sure there are things that could be tweaked/fixed. but that's what the bug forum is for. present the problem along with support of why you think it's a problem. blanket statements such as "well, the whole engine is buggy" don't help anyone. i've been frustrated at the game at times as well- but my lack of skill at the game doesn't mean it's unplayable.

you are entitled to your opinion, much as i am. but everyone else is also entitled to disagree with that opinion as well, especially when it's plainly inaccurate :)
 

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This is the first time I've ever agreed with a contagious fungal infection.

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There's a lot of data to save, but not that much. If your game is taking more than a few (that's 3) seconds to save then your computer is either broken, or below minimum standards necessary to play the game. Try defragging or upgrading.

Actually, this is a problem that has been transferred from EU2. Now, my computer has stats that are superior to the recommended level for EU2 (but just barely tolerable for Vic) and the same jump happens in both games. There is no direct correlation with file size or cleanliness of computer.

And since the EU2 specs were exceeded I wonder whether this has to do with the computer one uses or whether it is something just a little off in the game.

I've stopped using autosave altogether in Vic since it crashes the computer. :p


Only one of those things you have refered to is in fact a bug at all (if it even can be refered to as such since the partisans are only exaggerated in their natural effect, not deviating from it). The occurance you refer to of Mexico annexing guatemala reverting Russian occupied territory in Korea can only occur if both you as Russia and Mexico are allied in a 4 way way vs. an allied Korea and Guatemala. Thus I find the likelihood that such has occured to not only be improbably, but likely to not ever have occured to you. I do not begrudge you waiting to play Victoria prior to the release of the 1.03 patch, but do not erroneously indicate bugs where there are none.

With all due respect, it seems you haven't gone to war against the UK, while at the same time bulldozing through India mopping up her satellites. I figure I lose a province to the UK every time I nab one of these satellites (oh, and there might be others elsewhere, in the Mediterranean or Africa) which gets quite annoying. Whike the "erroneous bug report" might be misleading, it is quite perplexing to find this occurring after so much beta testing!
 

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I was frustrated too, because I played with 1.01 tactics, but must say that I had two great games with 1.02, as Russia and Sardinia, later Italy.
Russia was easy, but game experience with Italy was great. The unifying war almost ruined my economy, emigrating citizens, huge loans, masses of farmers in the army...
A bit masochistic perhaps, but quite dramatic and realistic effects of a long and brutal war.
I prefer 1.02, you have to think about and plan your strategy, it makes no sense to build 5 automobile factories and all in all is very much more a challenge than 1.01.
 

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akochan said:
There's a lot of data to save, but not that much. If your game is taking more than a few (that's 3) seconds to save then your computer is either broken, or below minimum standards necessary to play the game. Try defragging or upgrading.

The game is great, just so that is said.:) But the autosave thing... I have a P4 2,0GHz, 512 MB RAM, GeForce4 128 MB, but still the autosave uses much more than 3 sec to get over. In EU2 and HoI there is maximum 2-3 sec, but in Vickie... Anyway, I've learned to live with it. :eek:o :wacko:
 

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Count Ringworm said:
you bring it on yourself.

you stated "i don't know why paradox continues to make games on the same buggy engine". that implies that you think their entire line is buggy, but for some reason you love EU2 and HoI, which use the "same buggy engine".

you are most definately entitled to your opinion. but there is a fine line between giving your opinion and insulting the game creators. you mentioned on two occassions that the basic platform for their product is buggy and that their product is unusable (unplayable in your terms). what did you expect to accomplish there? how are these statements helping them "create better games," as you say? all you succeed in doing is adding to Johan and Company's frustration. they've already experienced enough of it to post about it. do a search and you'll see what i mean.

the problems you brought up are well documented. check the bug forum some time. your chief complaint regarding the partisans is even listed as being fixed in 1.03. many, many people play these games every day, and most actually have fun doing it. that would indicate the games, and this includes victoria, are most definately playable. sure, there are some minor tweaks to be made here and there, but is that really cause to tell them their engine is buggy and unplayable?

i think it is important to remember that paradox is under no obligation to produce patches for any of these games. they could stop today and say "we're done with any released games. all of our time will currently be spent on games in the works." i think it is important to respect the amount of effort they put into these games post-release, which brings me to my next point.

you want civilized? try presenting your arguments in a constructive, civilized manner instead of trolling for support of a faulty argument. sure there are things that could be tweaked/fixed. but that's what the bug forum is for. present the problem along with support of why you think it's a problem. blanket statements such as "well, the whole engine is buggy" don't help anyone. i've been frustrated at the game at times as well- but my lack of skill at the game doesn't mean it's unplayable.

you are entitled to your opinion, much as i am. but everyone else is also entitled to disagree with that opinion as well, especially when it's plainly inaccurate :)
well, this last post of yours contained some ideas that i can answer to.
you see, instead of saying "frag your friends in counterstrike, or whatever", writing that post was much better a solution :)

now, coming to your post:

*well, yes, i do believe that paradox needs to change the engine. and, yes, i do believe that it is VERY buggy. the only other company that makes so many patches is blizzard, but they don't really fix anything. they literally change the game :) (or, so i am told by my friends who play blizzard games). this implies that they should change the engine (IMHO, of course), which, in my opinion, would make the prospective games better :)
*i never ever said that i didn't like victoria. of course, the term "unplayable" was a tad harsh :)D), but that was because i had just lost war because of the annexation bug.
*as for "making the game better". this isn't the first time i got such answers from other users (ie. if you don't like viccy/eu2/hoi, simply do not play it, we don't want to hear what you've got to say), and i was being general. I'm aware that these bugs are reported (and in fact, i think i was the first one to post the annexation bug (before 1.02). if you check the bugs forum, you might find my name there.).
*i realize that paradox isn't under any obligations or whatsoever. but there were some things that has to be changed in order to have a fun (or, rather, more fun, since i'm (was before i uninstalled it out of frustration :)) also one of the people who enjoy viccy). for example, I have only seen a unified germany once. same applies for italy. now, it is really frustrating to play as two sicillies, and see that germany does not form, since you have planned to be their allies and built up your relationships accordingly (happened to me, at least :)).
* "trolling for support"? how nice of you to say that. if you read the post just before mine, you would see that the reason i posted the "buggy engine" post is because arentak already wrote about it. i was simply agreeing him. of course, if you decide to read my posts only in the whole thread, they won't make any sense.

i realise that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but i don't remember saying anything against that. and, i don't understand what you mean by "that opinion, which is plainly inaccurate". what opinion are you talking about?
 

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Darkrenown said:
Um, my point was that no engine is perfect.



Far from it, Vic is far less buggy than EUII or HoI were.
"Um, my point was that no engine is perfect."
i realise that, but that's not the point. i'm arguing that, instead of being have to make 5 patches after the game is released, making a new and better engine could be a better solution.
"Far from it, Vic is far less buggy than EUII or HoI were."
at least none of the bugs in eu2 or hoi were as frustrating as the annexation bug :) (the alliance bug in hoi is an exception :))
 

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Ringelnatz said:
I was frustrated too, because I played with 1.01 tactics, but must say that I had two great games with 1.02, as Russia and Sardinia, later Italy.
Russia was easy, but game experience with Italy was great. The unifying war almost ruined my economy, emigrating citizens, huge loans, masses of farmers in the army...
A bit masochistic perhaps, but quite dramatic and realistic effects of a long and brutal war.
I prefer 1.02, you have to think about and plan your strategy, it makes no sense to build 5 automobile factories and all in all is very much more a challenge than 1.01.
agreed, 1.02 is a lot better than 1.01.
especially the economy. it was too easy to have £10,000,000 in 1.01. it's still easy, but not as much :)
 

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Jadelith said:
i realise that, but that's not the point. i'm arguing that, instead of being have to make 5 patches after the game is released, making a new and better engine could be a better solution.

I think more of the bugs come from the complexity of the game rather then inheriant flaws in the engine. Limitations of the design sure, but not the bugs. A new engine would both take longer to make, need more testing and come with bugs of it's own. Oh, I hear EUIII will be based on a whole new engine.

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at least none of the bugs in eu2 or hoi were as frustrating as the annexation bug :) (the alliance bug in hoi is an exception :))

I don't see how anything can be worse than a CTD, and HoI and epecially EUII were MUCH worse than Vic for CTDs. It's been a year since we've had to play unpatched HoI, over 2 for EUII, I think you are forgeting how many problems they had (don't get me wrong. I loved them both out of the box). The general consensus on the forum is that Vic is the most stable/bug free Paradox release yet.
 

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The "engine" is not the same for EU2, HOI or VIC. There might be similarities in gameplay, there might even be entire chunks which look and act the same, but this is not like taking Quake and changing the scenery, these are very different games.

I don't know why anyone who is upset with 1.02 needs to quit the game. 1.01 has fewer bugs and is quite playable. If you mess around with the economics files it can even be made as economically tough as 1.02.

It's obviously time for 1.03 to be released, the same subjects are being recycled around here and unfortunately, it looks like hostility is rising. Is there any need to tell someone who doesn't like the game to go away? The last three threads I've read have had posts with that sentiment and others, all that will achieve is to alienate people.
 
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i feel your pain

Arentak said:
So, autosave takes like 2 minutes to save. it happens at inconvenient times, and it breaks any pause message notification setting you had. Time will pass from like dec 30th to january 10th with no opportunity to do anything. So I dont autosave.

Partisans spawn by the millions. Partisans are much more dangerous then any regular army in the entire world.

Anytime anyone anywhere in the world annexed anyone, all provinces besieged by partisans revert to home nation control.

This combination has resulted in a terrible gaming experience for me. I can't win any wars because all my work is undone by Mexico annexing guatamala while I'm playing Russia at war with Korea. I have removed Viccy from my hard drive, and I'll browse the forums and wait for 1.03. I just can't take this horribly frustrating bug-driven gameplay any more.

to a certain degree I can feel what your going through I m more or less past this stage and more disinfranchised and loosing interest stage now.
 

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akochan said:
There's a lot of data to save, but not that much. If your game is taking more than a few (that's 3) seconds to save then your computer is either broken, or below minimum standards necessary to play the game. Try defragging or upgrading.

First I'm not the original poster. Second, I have the same problem. Third, that's, to put it bluntly, an asinine and unintelligent response. My machine is a high end labtop that I use for build/deployment of corporate software. It runs very high utilization applicatiopns *and other games including Star Wars Galaxies* just dandy. If I try to save Vicky it takes up to 30 seconds along with the other bugs the poster mentioned.

When combined with the CTD bugs (which for some bizzare reason the raving fans here tend to ignore) makes Vicky a poor game.

I *loved* EUII. But Vicky doesn't cut it for me and includes more bugs then a released game should.
 
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