Nightmarish gameplay

[Arentak]

So, autosave takes like 2 minutes to save. it happens at inconvenient times, and it breaks any pause message notification setting you had. Time will pass from like dec 30th to january 10th with no opportunity to do anything. So I dont autosave.

Partisans spawn by the millions. Partisans are much more dangerous then any regular army in the entire world.

Anytime anyone anywhere in the world annexed anyone, all provinces besieged by partisans revert to home nation control.

This combination has resulted in a terrible gaming experience for me. I can't win any wars because all my work is undone by Mexico annexing guatamala while I'm playing Russia at war with Korea. I have removed Viccy from my hard drive, and I'll browse the forums and wait for 1.03. I just can't take this horribly frustrating bug-driven gameplay any more.

 

[unmerged(15243)]

So, autosave takes like 2 minutes to save. it happens at inconvenient times, and it breaks any pause message notification setting you had. Time will pass from like dec 30th to january 10th with no opportunity to do anything. So I dont autosave.

There's a lot of data to save, but not that much. If your game is taking more than a few (that's 3) seconds to save then your computer is either broken, or below minimum standards necessary to play the game. Try defragging or upgrading.

Partisans spawn by the millions. Partisans are much more dangerous then any regular army in the entire world.

This is addressed in 1.03 but you exaggerate numbers greatly. But they are not more dangerous than regular armies because they have inferior status/stats.

Anytime anyone anywhere in the world annexed anyone, all provinces besieged by partisans revert to home nation control.

This is not true. This closest thing to this which you might be refering to is that if you and another nation are at war together with a third nation, and said two other nations form a peace treaty, all your claims in the war to this date are declared no longer under control of the alliance which you were part of. The answer to this is either to not have allies which could potentially stab you in the back in this way (or which you could do to them in kind), or to garrison occupied territory (which is most historical).

This combination has resulted in a terrible gaming experience for me. I can't win any wars because all my work is undone by Mexico annexing guatamala while I'm playing Russia at war with Korea. I have removed Viccy from my hard drive, and I'll browse the forums and wait for 1.03. I just can't take this horribly frustrating bug-driven gameplay any more.

Only one of those things you have refered to is in fact a bug at all (if it even can be refered to as such since the partisans are only exaggerated in their natural effect, not deviating from it). The occurance you refer to of Mexico annexing guatemala reverting Russian occupied territory in Korea can only occur if both you as Russia and Mexico are allied in a 4 way way vs. an allied Korea and Guatemala. Thus I find the likelihood that such has occured to not only be improbably, but likely to not ever have occured to you. I do not begrudge you waiting to play Victoria prior to the release of the 1.03 patch, but do not erroneously indicate bugs where there are none.

-Andy

 

[Minodrin]

Aye, partisans are the devil.

And yes, autosave is slow, but can't you turn it off? Risks come with rewards.

 

[Dinsdale]

Reinstall, use 1.01, turn autosave off and remember to manually save every two years or so.

 

[Artem]

Aye, partisans are the devil.

And yes, autosave is slow, but can't you turn it off? Risks come with rewards.

That's true, they are driving me MAD... Something has to be done with them in 1.03.

 

[unmerged(12680)]

Reinstall, use 1.01, turn autosave off and remember to manually save every two years or so.

Where can I find 1.01 for d/l?

 

[Hastu Neon]

[Arentak] I feel the same. And done the same with Vic: I've stopped playing until 1.03

[Akochan] I'm sorry to say that all the occurances told by the first poster happen to me. And my computer isn't so old, and generally I love Paradox games...

 

[Jadelith]

it is true that 1.02 is quite unplayable.
i reinstalled eu2 right now, and i'll try a WC with venice

 

[Spooky]

it is true that 1.02 is quite unplayable.
i reinstalled eu2 right now, and i'll try a WC with venice

Quite unplayble ! Is it a joke or what ?

Some countries are very easy (Argentina, ...) or quite easy (Prussia, ...) while some others are really tough but the game is really playable in v1.02.

Otherwise, you can always use a mod (ie : UMP mod) if you find the economy too difficult to handle.

 

[berhaven]

IMHO partisans are a true problem if:

you don't plan carefully your army size needs before decide to do to war or to have offensive attitude if forced to war; a well planned war is not going to let your armies stuck in enemy territories for years without being able to either destroy enemy divisions at a rate they cannot sustain or conquer enough territory, including their capital, to have them falling apart a begging for peace. That's base strategy. That happened many times in history.

you decide to play in a "conquer of the world" game style. I think a game which would have encouraged such a behaviour would have failed to bring any flavour of the times. Play Risk instead. Success in Vic comes much more from a balanced development than from a world conquer style.

 

[unmerged(14689)]

I also find this claim that Vicky is unplayable quite absurd. Sure, partizans are a b*tch and they will be taken care of in 1.03, but still I can defeat my enemies. It takes a bit more patience (and leaving a handfull of divs in your mob. pool just in case also doesn't hurt) and you shouldn't want to take over a country in one go, which is fine IMO. I mean, how "historical" would it be if Russia just walked over China and annexed it whole in one step?

And about those territories changing hands at peace: I never noticed that, actually.

 

[unmerged(18513)]

This game rocks!!!

I just came out as the first world power as the ottoman empire!!!!

Even though partisans are a pain in the ass it is still possible to handle them, preferably with either dragoons or cavalry (move fast, that way they can cover a larger occupied territory).

Yes, partisans are a pain in the rear, but the good part of it is that they actually force you to garrison and watch your back once you are on a war spree. This in my humble opinion is not bad at all (and if you play the us against mexico the partisan settings are actually quite correct in terms of historical play).

 

[Jadelith]

well, yes, it is possible to overcome the partisan problem, but you have to have around 30k troops in every conquered province, which requires godly amounts of micromanaging (at least, for me )

also, the game CANNOT be historical, in fact, it SHOULDN'T be historical. where's the fun in playing a game you know how it will end

i mean, if the partisans are there for historical reasons (ie. to make sure that WC is impossible ), it should also be impossible for russia to have 15k industrial rating in 1900 (i was russia, by the way )

also, venice sucks, i conquered europe and the middle east, but since they only have 4 core provinces, recruiting troops is a pain in the a**

 

[Hastu Neon]

Probably the game is "playable" in the sense that it runs well, no crashes and so on, but it's not funny as the previous ones from Paradox were. Partisans pop up everywhere, the conquest of enemy provinces at war with allies seems to be completely random, ecc. The game is playable, the problem is that's also not fun, if you find yourself involved in conflicts.

 

[Emperor of Europe]

it is true that 1.02 is quite unplayable.
i reinstalled eu2 right now, and i'll try a WC with venice

What he said! I really tried to like Vic, but so far I have given up.

Thankfully there's always EU2, the GC with Venice and the new Roman Empire to fall back to until Vic 1.03.

cheers/EoE

 

[unmerged(16695)]

it is true that 1.02 is quite unplayable.
i reinstalled eu2 right now, and i'll try a WC with venice

ooooh, i get it now. for a game to be "playable", you should be able to take any small country and conquer the world with it. that makes perfect sense to me now. vic is unplayable because you can't conquer the world with korea and the game actually makes you think a bit.

sounds like some people need to go back to playing the original civ.

 

[Aquitaine]

There's a lot of data to save, but not that much. If your game is taking more than a few (that's 3) seconds to save then your computer is either broken, or below minimum standards necessary to play the game. Try defragging or upgrading.

Vic savegames on average take a good 5-6x as long as EU2 savegames (which makes sense, as they are 5-6x as larg).

It would be nice if this was optimized somewhat as it is quite frustrating, although I don't have the problem in which time passes during the autosave (and I have a pretty beefy machine).

 

[unmerged(3921)]

Akochan, you are wrong, annexation anywhere in the world causes all provinces besegied by their owning player to revert to owning player control. Alliance links are not necessary. This is actually an exploit that can be used by the player as well as against the player.

 

[Hastu Neon]

Akochan, you are wrong, annexation anywhere in the world causes all provinces besegied by their owning player to revert to owning player control. Alliance links are not necessary. This is actually an exploit that can be used by the player as well as against the player.

Expolit? or rather a bug?

 

[unmerged(16875)]

Expolit? or rather a bug?

Gotta be a bug - like when the AI realizes that one tag is gone, it resets itself somehow.