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'Madness' of Nietzsche was cancer not syphilis
By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 04/05/2003)

Friedrich Nietzsche, the philosopher thought to have died of syphilis caught from prostitutes, was in fact the victim of a posthumous smear campaign by anti-Nazis, according to new research.

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A study of medical records has found that, far from suffering a sexually-transmitted disease which drove him mad, Nietzsche almost certainly died of brain cancer.

The doctor who has carried out the study claims that the universally-accepted story of Nietzsche having caught syphilis from prostitutes was actually concocted after the Second World War by Wilhelm Lange-Eichbaum, an academic who was one of Nietzsche's most vociferous critics. It was then adopted as fact by intellectuals who were keen to demolish the reputation of Nietzsche, whose idea of a "Superman" was used to underpin Nazism.

The new research was carried out by Dr Leonard Sax, the director of the Montgomery Centre for Research in Child Development in Maryland, America. Dr Sax made his discovery after studying accounts of Nietzsche's collapse with dementia in 1889. He was admitted to an asylum in Basle, Switzerland, and was initially diagnosed as being in the advanced stages of syphilis.

According to Dr Sax, however, Nietzsche's notes show no signs of the symptoms which are now regarded as evidence of this disease, such as an expressionless face and slurred speech.

"Nietzsche exhibited none of these symptoms," said Dr Sax. "His facial expressions remained vivid, his reflexes were normal, tremor was not present, his handwriting after his collapse was at least as good as it had been in previous years - and his speech was fluent."

Dr Sax added that in the late 19th century more than 90 per cent of those with advanced syphilis rapidly declined and died within five years of diagnosis. Nietzsche, in contrast, lived for another 11 years.

Nietzsche's physicians, according to Dr Sax, suspected that he may not have had syphilis, but were unable to suggest an alternative. Reporting his findings in the current issue of the Journal of Medical Biography, Dr Sax argues that a more plausible diagnosis would have been that the philosopher was suffering from a slowly-developing brain tumour. This would account for both Nietzsche's collapse and the migraines and visual disturbances he suffered.

In the decades following his death in 1900, Nietzsche's ideas of the Ubermensch (the Superman) - a new kind of human driven by the "will to power" - was adopted by the Nazis. Following the Second World War, however, Nietzsche's ideas were attacked and his later writings dismissed as the work of a diseased mind.

According to Dr Sax, the suggestion that Nietzsche caught syphilis from prostitutes arose in 1947. In a book condemning Nietzsche's role in Nazi philosophy, Lange-Eichbaum alleged that a Berlin neurologist had once told him that the philosopher "had infected himself with syphilis in a Leipzig brothel during his time as a student there, and that he had been treated for syphilis by two Leipzig physicians".

Despite the lack of documentary or medical evidence, the allegation has since been repeated without question by generations of academics, said Dr Sax. "Extraordinarily, this single passage in Lange-Eichbaum's obscure book is the chief foundation, cited again and again, that Nietzsche had syphilis."

Nietzsche scholars welcomed the new findings and said that they would help in the rehabilitation of the philosopher. "Nietzsche was not anti-semitic or a nationalist, and hated the herd mentality," said Prof Stephen Houlgate, a Nietzsche scholar at Warwick University. "If this new research gets rid of another misconception about him, I'm delighted."
 
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Does anyone have a good summary of what he wrote?

He really didn't have many positive things to say about women.
 

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I read Nietzsche, who btw was a close friend of Wagner. The broke off friendship over something, cannot remember, although I dont think it was about Wagner's anti-semitism. As far as his books, the best one by far, and the most brilliant, is "the birth of tragedy and the geneology of morals", which shows him to be first and foremost a brilliant philologist.
 

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Originally posted by laelius
I read Nietzsche, who btw was a close friend of Wagner. The broke off friendship over something, cannot remember, although I dont think it was about Wagner's anti-semitism.

The reason they broke off the relationship was the Christian elements displayed in Parsifal AFAIK.
 

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Why would the allegation that he died of Syphilis be considered a "smear"? :confused:

Because it implied he had sex with prostitutes? Who cares?
 

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Originally posted by Malthus
Why would the allegation that he died of Syphilis be considered a "smear"? :confused:

Because it implied he had sex with prostitutes? Who cares?

Not everyone is as morally enlightened as you are, Malthus. I would think that to be self-evident and thus no one needed to point it out. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Slargos
Not everyone is as morally enlightened as you are, Malthus. I would think that to be self-evident and thus no one needed to point it out. ;)

Not really - perhaps I should rephrase.

"Nietzsche was the moral grandfather of Nazi ideology" - *that* is a smear.

"Nietzche had sex, caught STDs" is simply pathetic in comparison.

I would have thought that the difference in blamesworthiness between "being the origin of the philosophical underpinnings of the Nazi atrocities" and "being a horny guy" would be self-evident, at least among those who care about 19th century philosophers ... :D
 

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I apologize for the Spam in history Dark, but this is the first time I have seen a picture of Nietzche and I just wanted to comment on his ubermustache. That thing is a beauty.
 

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Originally posted by Malthus
Not really - perhaps I should rephrase.

"Nietzsche was the moral grandfather of Nazi ideology" - *that* is a smear.

"Nietzche had sex, caught STDs" is simply pathetic in comparison.

I would have thought that the difference in blamesworthiness between "being the origin of the philosophical underpinnings of the Nazi atrocities" and "being a horny guy" would be self-evident, at least among those who care about 19th century philosophers ... :D

I was merely attempting a payback for your comment in another thread.

Pearls for swine...

;)

Edit: Besides. I'd rather be known for founding an ideology that touched so many lives, than to have died of syphilis. Better infamous than ridiculed, is what I say. :p
 

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Originally posted by Slargos
I was merely attempting a payback for your comment in another thread.

Pearls for swine...

;)

Edit: Besides. I'd rather be known for founding an ideology that touched so many lives, than to have died of syphilis. Better infamous than ridiculed, is what I say. :p

Better a horny bastard than a Nazi - a creed to live by! :p
 

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Originally posted by Admiral Yi
I apologize for the Spam in history Dark, but this is the first time I have seen a picture of Nietzche and I just wanted to comment on his ubermustache. That thing is a beauty.
Now apologise for incorrectly citing my name. :p

Nietzche's mustache certainly puts Hitler to shame. ;)

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As regards Malthus' point, syphilis isn't generally considered the best way to die. Although it does establish a trio of famous creative 19th century Germans killed by it (Schubert, Wolf, Nietzche).
 
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I'm sure its a darned horrible way to die. But so is death by brain cancer.

If by "best" you mean most morally acceptable, I understand all that - I just find it amusing, and strange, that such an "allegation" should raise a furor when the man is accused of far more discreditable activities - namely, promoting a philosophy of such moral vacuity as to inspire the Nazis.
 

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If by "best" you mean most morally acceptable, I understand all that - I just find it amusing, and strange, that such an "allegation" should raise a furor when the man is accused of far more discreditable activities - namely, promoting a philosophy of such moral vacuity as to inspire the Nazis.

Give the guy a break, he had been dead for several decades by then. Nazis weren't exactly intellectual heavy-weights either, so it is very unlikely that they got anything out of Nietzsche, except a few catchphrases.
 

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Originally posted by metzger
Give the guy a break, he had been dead for several decades by then. Nazis weren't exactly intellectual heavy-weights either, so it is very unlikely that they got anything out of Nietzsche, except a few catchphrases.

You completely misunderstood my point ...

I am not arguing that I think that Nietzsche was the granddaddy of Nazism - I am saying that others have accused him of so being, and that such an accusation is a far worse 'smear' than any accusation concerning which disease he died of.
 
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Originally posted by Malthus
I am not arguing that I think that Nietzsche was the granddaddy of Nazism - I am saying that others have accused him of so being, and that such an accusation is a far worse 'smear' than any accusation concerning which disease he died of.


Kind of interesting how Nietzche, who predated the Nazis by a couple generations, actually catches more revisionist heat than Heidegger--who actually joined the party at one point in its infancy.