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1.10 Collie will be accompanied with a dlc called " Mancò la fortuna, non il valore!" and will include New focus trees for Italy, Greece and Turkey. It will expand on strategic bombing, easier air war management, include a plane designer, politic sub-ideologies and peace conferences. It will be released in december 2020.

1.11 Barbarossa will be accompanied with a dcl called "STAVKA" and will include New focus trees for USSR, Poland, Finland and Sweden. It will revamp supply with important railroads on the map, revamp land combat doing away with fixed width meta, move support companies to armies, give us tools to establish "defense in depth" lines, make mobilization more important, include a tank designer. It will be released in december 2021.

Where did you get the intels ?
 
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People read way too much into the patch names. There was madness over husky because of the wild connection between a book podcat was reading, Huskies liking the cold, and the soviet union when it instead turned out to be france and spain. There's just as much chance of the collie update being the soviet union or a free patch as there is of it being a middle east or even Pacific DLC. Once we start getting dev diaries again we can actually make reasonable guesses.
 
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Read the last Dev Diries or let it. I and many others have no more desire to answer the Questions 1.000 times. POINT!

Friend, you miss the point of all the questions. If we can get 1,000 different answers, some one is bound to guess right and become a one day celebrity on the forums. :D
 
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@ Harin: I´m tired to see such Discussions every day or several days in different Forums, on Steam or wherever. That Question is already answerd.

An last Time: The Devs are working Parallel on 2 Patches incl. DLC´s.

Patch 1.10 "Colie" is for the Pacific-Part with overseen Colonys, esp. from Japan with many other Reworks (Focuses, Researches, Production, Airforce etc.). Normaly they make an overwork from other overseen / not yet overworked Country-Colonys (like Netherland, UK) too.

Patch 1.11 "Barbarossa" is for East-Europe, esp. for Russia and Poland and not yet overworked Countrys with many other Reworkes (Focuses, Researches, Production, Army etc).

That´s what the Devs announced in the last Dev Dirays and that´s all what we know for the Moment. More Intel we get after the Summer Break from the Devs.

When the first Patch 1.10 "Colie" and his DLC will come, we don´t know too. He will come first, but we all can expect an Overwork in Airforce and more fixes in the Navy-Part. That Reworkes, Implementations and much more which isn´t announced yet (and not everything get announced in the Dev Derais and Developer-Vids for an Patch / DLC) is comming in are knowledge from the last big Hoi-4-Refits, Stellaris etc. the last 4 Years.
 
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1.10 Collie will be accompanied with a dlc called " Mancò la fortuna, non il valore!" and will include New focus trees for Italy, Greece and Turkey. It will expand on strategic bombing, easier air war management, include a plane designer, politic sub-ideologies and peace conferences. It will be released in december 2020.

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Is it that difficult to start a post with "my guess is", "I think", or "I hope", instead of being really specific and making it come across as things you know for a fact?
 
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I´m tired to see such Discussions every day or several days in different Forums, on Steam or wherever.

Then don't read them, or participate in them! A lot of members of this community seem to enjoy speculating ad infinitum about the next updates. If that's not your cup of tea, just leave them be. Nobody demanded that you respond, and your knowledge on the matter is not authoritative.
 
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Speculation is good, but then you have to bring in what the Devs allready officially announced. That will come in.

The only thing which is going to nerve is reading the same Question 1 Million times and have to give the same Answer 1 Million times in different Thereats. :mad:

That´s the thing which makes me and many others very very angry, about many reasons. And one of that is that the People don´t get in the officially announcements from the Devs and known facts.
 
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I don't mind the speculation myself, but maybe there should be a single "next DLC speculation thread" instead of 281 near-identical ones :p . But again, I don't mind personally.
 
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People read way too much into the patch names. There was madness over husky because of the wild connection between a book podcat was reading, Huskies liking the cold, and the soviet union when it instead turned out to be france and spain. There's just as much chance of the collie update being the soviet union or a free patch as there is of it being a middle east or even Pacific DLC. Once we start getting dev diaries again we can actually make reasonable guesses.
It's a wonderful troll. First they tell us not to read anything into the patch names, then they name one 'Barbarossa' right as so many anticipate a DLC on the Soviet Union :D . What to believe?

It's like them announcing a new sequel and giving it the code name/working title 'Victoria'.
 
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unless PDX is trolling by not working on the Soviet Union for a patch named Barbarossa
If they're inclined to be sly and counting on misdirection from the obvious association in a WW II game, the release might just as well be named after Frederick Barbarossa, the 12th-century Holy Roman Emperor after whom the German invasion was named. As HRE, work on Germany could be appropriate, but his most notable campaigns were in Italy, particularly kicking the Normans out of Sicily as well as intervening with northern city-states. So it'd make even more sense for it to name rework on Italy (to the extent that the content is limited to being only that relevant to the name).

You can read anything into a name that you want, if you try hard enough. Eastern Europe and the USSR are the obvious candidates, certainly. But there's no point in having code names if the meaning of the code is obvious :)

If I were picking names (and I'm not), I wouldn't be doing it for secrecy, but just to have a convenient handle to refer to the project that was more interesting and memorable than "Patch 11.4.17". Relevance would help the mnemonic value.
 
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It's a wonderful troll. First they tell us not to read anything into the patch names, then they name one 'Barbarossa' right as so many anticipate a DLC on the Soviet Union :D . What to believe?

It's like them announcing a new sequel and giving it the code name/working title 'Victoria'.
That game would obviously be Victoria's secret, the industrial europe dating game.

If they're inclined to be sly and counting on misdirection from the obvious association in a WW II game, the release might just as well be named after Frederick Barbarossa, the 12th-century Holy Roman Emperor after whom the German invasion was named. As HRE, work on Germany could be appropriate, but his most notable campaigns were in Italy, particularly kicking the Normans out of Sicily as well as intervening with northern city-states. So it'd make even more sense for it to name rework on Italy (to the extent that the content is limited to being only that relevant to the name).

You can read anything into a name that you want, if you try hard enough. Eastern Europe and the USSR are the obvious candidates, certainly. But there's no point in having code names if the meaning of the code is obvious :)

If I were picking names (and I'm not), I wouldn't be doing it for secrecy, but just to have a convenient handle to refer to the project that was more interesting and memorable than "Patch 11.4.17". Relevance would help the mnemonic value.
Ah, but fredrick barbarossa had red hair, so it'll be an Ireland update.
 
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Surely it's Italy and the med then Soviets?
The community seems to be divided on this. Some say that the USSR, land combat, and logistics should take top priority, others say the Med should go first. We are also in disagreement on which we think will actually be made first :p .

The devs in turn have said the USSR DLC and patch are going to be really big, and so they want to do it justice. I even seem to recall them specifically saying that's why MtG was made first, though don't quote me on that.
 

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1.11 Barbarossa will be accompanied with a dcl called "STAVKA" and will include New focus trees for USSR, Poland, Finland and Sweden. It will revamp supply with important railroads on the map, revamp land combat doing away with fixed width meta, move support companies to armies, give us tools to establish "defense in depth" lines, make mobilization more important, include a tank designer. It will be released in december 2021.
Don't forget the essential Tannu Tuva focus tree.

People read way too much into the patch names. There was madness over husky because of the wild connection between a book podcat was reading, Huskies liking the cold, and the soviet union when it instead turned out to be france and spain. There's just as much chance of the collie update being the soviet union or a free patch as there is of it being a middle east or even Pacific DLC. Once we start getting dev diaries again we can actually make reasonable guesses.
I mean, you're 100% right, but if all info we have is the codenames, then we're going to speculate heavily and senselessly based solely on these bloody codenames, of course.

Patch 1.10 "Colie" is for the Pacific-Part with overseen Colonys, esp. from Japan with many other Reworks (Focuses, Researches, Production, Airforce etc.). Normaly they make an overwork from other overseen / not yet overworked Country-Colonys (like Netherland, UK) too.

Patch 1.11 "Barbarossa" is for East-Europe, esp. for Russia and Poland and not yet overworked Countrys with many other Reworkes (Focuses, Researches, Production, Army etc).

That´s what the Devs announced in the last Dev Dirays and that´s all what we know for the Moment. More Intel we get after the Summer Break from the Devs.
Wait, did they actually announce all of those details?
I only saw the codenames in the DD.
Give me some sauce with that salad, please.
 
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Don't forget the essential Tannu Tuva focus tree.


I mean, you're 100% right, but if all info we have is the codenames, then we're going to speculate heavily and senselessly based solely on these bloody codenames, of course.


Wait, did they actually announce all of those details?
I only saw the codenames in the DD.
Give me some sauce with that salad, please.


Although in the last patch with the name Husky he did not come Italian reworked but he did touch the rest of the countries of the western Mediterranean such as France, Spain and Portugal, therefore I believe that Barbarossa would deeply touch the eastern front in general, possibly accompanied by Soviet, Polish or Both and perfectly Collie patch will touch and there will be small for Asian or Pacific front in general
 

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Wait, did they actually announce all of those details?
I only saw the codenames in the DD.
Give me some sauce with that salad, please.
They didn't. HoI Neuling is speculating a fair bit there.


This is the latest dev diary from them, and it's very sparse on details about what those two patches will involve aside from what their code names are.
 
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They didn't. HoI Neuling is speculating a fair bit there.


This is the latest dev diary from them, and it's very sparse on details about what those two patches will involve aside from what their code names are.
I see, so he's complaining about people speculating while throwing in his own speculation as well, validating the whole point of the thread and invalidating his own in the process, huh.
 
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