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I'm still not sure why they stream with hot code. The point of the stream is to promote the game, so why not use the last stable build? The stream is giving the misconception that the game is still in a very buggy state. Yes, you and I know otherwise, but it's turning off some people (a couple of my friends included).
You should be a good friend then and explain to them the concept of hot code nightly build. Testing the hot code means the stream time also doubles as QA testing time for Wiz.

And forgive me for being a cynic here, but the optics looks better when bugs and glitches are encountered in a low-expectations "hot code nightly build" than in a supposedly stable build... and you know as well as I do that bugs and glitches still show up in stable builds.
 
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I'm still not sure why they stream with hot code. The point of the stream is to promote the game, so why not use the last stable build? The stream is giving the misconception that the game is still in a very buggy state. Yes, you and I know otherwise, but it's turning off some people (a couple of my friends included).
The idea is to show how the game improves.

Example 1) The new Black Hole art style.
Example 2) The way Outposts and Colonies projecting borders.
Example 3) AI updates (Wiz mentioned AI actions during wars was something they weren't happy with and thus has been improved recently, although bugs remain).

I'm sure tomorrow we will see even more updates that we can compare with the previous versions. Without the 'hot code' we might not even know today that the Outpost & Colony border projection had been updated, and the AI in the war may have been even worse than it was.
 
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I feel like it would be better if they just spent their time fixing bugs instead of giving us streams.
Yes, wiz should debug AI 24/7 and obviously the stream producer is vital to the debugging efforts ;)

As for why stream hot code... Because it's more authentic and gives a sense of honesty to the whole production. How many times have people seen 'game footage' that ends up being lies and fabrications? Which lead directly to sky high expectations that get crushed?

Just plain folks showing off a different aspects of gameplay with special highlights for things that get fixed and implementing suggestions from the community is a much more efficient form of marketing. Cheaper too.
 
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Yes, wiz should debug AI 24/7 and obviously the stream producer is vital to the debugging efforts ;)

As for why stream hot code... Because it's more authentic and gives a sense of honesty to the whole production. How many times have people seen 'game footage' that ends up being lies and fabrications? Which lead directly to sky high expectations that get crushed?

It's all lies and fabrication until I actually get to play the game. That is the one and only truth of this world.
 
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You should be a good friend then and explain to them the concept of hot code nightly build. Testing the hot code means the stream time also doubles as QA testing time for Wiz.

And forgive me for being a cynic here, but the optics looks better when bugs and glitches are encountered in a low-expectations "hot code nightly build" than in a supposedly stable build... and you know as well as I do that bugs and glitches still show up in stable builds.

Oh, they're cynical for exactly that reason - that it's easy to explain away the buggy state of the game by always saying it's "hot code". And I have to agree with them. The point is, we're less than two weeks away from release and we've yet to see what a "stable build" of the game truly is, if there is such a thing.

I could confidently pre-order the game because I know that even if the game is buggy on release day, Paradox will put in whatever it takes to fix it. However, people who are new to Paradox games don't have the same experience.
 
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15:00 CEST!

One of the downsides of living on the Western end of the North American continent, a reasonable time for a Livestream up in Sweden, is 6:00 AM here. Can always catch it later though.
 

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One of the downsides of living on the Western end of the North American continent, a reasonable time for a Livestream up in Sweden, is 6:00 AM here. Can always catch it later though.
It works perfectly for me (PDT), I get into the office around 10am (cause Tech companies are awesome and Programmers are lazy ;), so as soon as I get in I can pop on the twitch recording and watch it while I work.
 
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Well, after Germany miserably failed with the military victory...
France gave it a good go. Arguably that was a Europe thing, though.

USSR failed the military, economic, and military victories.

US has maybe won a diplomatic or cultural victory and kept playing. I mean there are countries angrily listening to their music wearing their blue jeans.

I think England gets a good amount of points for longevity of attempt, too. Think of where they'd be if they won the 100 year's war... Nobody really knows but it's fun to think about.
 
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I'm still not sure why they stream with hot code. The point of the stream is to promote the game, so why not use the last stable build? The stream is giving the misconception that the game is still in a very buggy state. Yes, you and I know otherwise, but it's turning off some people (a couple of my friends included).

Somewhat true, but when you dont listen to them repeatedly saying that its a fresh unstable build then i am not sure you will be happy with the game anyway. (too short of an attention span/ability to concentrate and abstract?)
 
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The big advantage is that you have 4000 people looking at the Q&A and giving feedback :) If 0.1% gives useful l feedback they get 4 ideas / bugs back per stream. That is actually pretty good.

And they do show that they do not hide anything. It is what you see is not so good as what you get . (What you get is better)
 
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Thursday, 28th: Blorgstream

Tuesday, 3rd: Blorgstream
Wednesday, 4th: Blorgstream (no World War Wednesday)
Thursday, 5th: No stream

Monday, 9th: ad aspera ad astra
 
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France gave it a good go. Arguably that was a Europe thing, though.

USSR failed the military, economic, and military victories.

US has maybe won a diplomatic or cultural victory and kept playing. I mean there are countries angrily listening to their music wearing their blue jeans.

I think England gets a good amount of points for longevity of attempt, too. Think of where they'd be if they won the 100 year's war... Nobody really knows but it's fun to think about.

Macedonia failed to achive military victory (but only thanks to war weariness from their own soilders) but turned it into an cultural victory ages ago.

They mentioned on the HoI wednesday stream that Stellaris will steal their slot next week. But with some hint from different sides (i.e. quill18) I think it will most likley be an MP stream.
 

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  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Magicka
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
It works perfectly for me (PDT), I get into the office around 10am (cause Tech companies are awesome and Programmers are lazy ;), so as soon as I get in I can pop on the twitch recording and watch it while I work.

Yeah you're right. Going to try to catch it myself when I can.