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Sounds quite far fetched, but since they cannot give any clear indication of HOI4 (anything related would be too revealing), could be so.

EDIT: or HOI4 was specualtion all along and now it's slowly turning into false speculation
 

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After the first picture of Nero, I think it's safe to assume that HOI4 is not in sight.

(Project armstrong = "supersecret" = new IP <> HOI4)
 

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If it is HOI4 it better be a WWI game. With HOI2/DH/HOI3 out most people won't have a reason to buy another WWII game. Especially on the release day.
talk for yourself. HoI4 should follow the traditions of dealing with ww2. The ww1 period was only 4 years and the western front was not moving for most part of the war. there was no buildup like before ww2. ww1 fits more in Victoria games' period and the time period is already covered in Victoria 2.
 

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talk for yourself. HoI4 should follow the traditions of dealing with ww2. The ww1 period was only 4 years and the western front was not moving for most part of the war. there was no buildup like before ww2. ww1 fits more in Victoria games' period and the time is also covered.
No build up?
There was a huge arms race for at least 10 years before hand, it's commonly cited as one of WW1's main causes (or rather enablers, can't fight a world conflict without a world class navy after all).
 

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Still on the same scale though, there was most certainly a "build up" up-to WW1, it's just no one thought the big pile they were building was TNT :p
One major difference was that before ww1 the military was built up not to do war but to prevent it by fear tactics (similar to cold war actually), while before ww2 it was built up knowingly for war.
 

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One major difference was that before ww1 the military was built up not to do war but to prevent it by fear tactics (similar to cold war actually), while before ww2 it was built up knowingly for war.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

That being said, I think HoI should stay in WWII.
I'm not interested in HoI, but when Victoria III comes I want it to include WWI.
 

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talk for yourself. HoI4 should follow the traditions of dealing with ww2. The ww1 period was only 4 years and the western front was not moving for most part of the war. there was no buildup like before ww2. ww1 fits more in Victoria games' period and the time period is already covered in Victoria 2.

Balkans disagree
 

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talk for yourself. HoI4 should follow the traditions of dealing with ww2. The ww1 period was only 4 years and the western front was not moving for most part of the war. there was no buildup like before ww2. ww1 fits more in Victoria games' period and the time period is already covered in Victoria 2.

I'm saying more than just for myself. It would be the best decision for Paradox. Except for the obsessive fanboys people aren't going to be interested in another WWII game, especially when HOI3's latest expansion is so recent. A World War I game would help keep Paradox relevant.

Victoria II is over there if your aim is a WWI-stylee arms race.

There's no reason why the two can't co-exist. Victoria isn't really a wargame.
 

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Pretty sure the elephant is about ck2's new expansion ;)

For me there is a ww1 focused game coming (it makes sense it's 2014 and Podcat is near). The other (armstrong) .. no idea what it is.
 

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I'm saying more than just for myself. It would be the best decision for Paradox. Except for the obsessive fanboys people aren't going to be interested in another WWII game, especially when HOI3's latest expansion is so recent. A World War I game would help keep Paradox relevant.
You actually said most people would not buy HoI4 if it was WW2 game. That is quite a bald statement, don't you think so? Where do you have the evidence to back this up? Have you maybe done some market research?
 

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You actually said most people would not buy HoI4 if it was WW2 game. That is quite a bald statement, don't you think so? Where do you have the evidence to back this up? Have you maybe done some market research?

Yes that is what I intended to say. Rational people aren't willing to pay for a game that they already own.
Like I said the fanboys will buy it on release. But most people, knowing that they already have a complete and decently functioning WWII game in HOI3 to play, would either wait for a 75% off Steam sale to buy HOI4 or would not bother with it. Where is the incentive to buy HOI4 on release with the knowledge that it is going to be buggy and needing expansions to be played properly? (this isn't an implication of Paradox, it just seems to be the norm these days for all companies)

A WWI game would have a greater percentage of sales on release because there are fewer alternatives. Sure you will still have those people who don't buy anything on release. But the types of people that would think "why should I buy HOI4 when it will be half-playable and HOI3 is fully playable" would be more likely to buy a WWI game on release because Paradox doesn't have a WWI game. And like I said before: a WWI game would help keep Paradox relevant. Would you rather have Paradox be known as the company that keeps making the same games over again or the company that releases new and innovative games? A WWI game would be better for Paradox's reputation and would be more effective at attracting people who aren't regular Paradox customers and the people who don't impulsively purchase everything Paradox releases.
 

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Yes that is what I intended to say. Rational people aren't willing to pay for a game that they already own.
Like I said the fanboys will buy it on release. But most people, knowing that they already have a complete and decently functioning WWII game in HOI3 to play, would either wait for a 75% off Steam sale to buy HOI4 or would not bother with it. Where is the incentive to buy HOI4 on release with the knowledge that it is going to be buggy and needing expansions to be played properly? (this isn't an implication of Paradox, it just seems to be the norm these days for all companies)

A WWI game would have a greater percentage of sales on release because there are fewer alternatives. Sure you will still have those people who don't buy anything on release. But the types of people that would think "why should I buy HOI4 when it will be half-playable and HOI3 is fully playable" would be more likely to buy a WWI game on release because Paradox doesn't have a WWI game. And like I said before: a WWI game would help keep Paradox relevant. Would you rather have Paradox be known as the company that keeps making the same games over again or the company that releases new and innovative games? A WWI game would be better for Paradox's reputation and would be more effective at attracting people who aren't regular Paradox customers and the people who don't impulsively purchase everything Paradox releases.

If HoI 4 has an extended timeline that goes to the begining of the century it'd make it niche. But the issue is that the eras do not fit and there is too much complexity on having two great scale wars since you can't really end the first one 'properly' so that the build up to the 2nd one appears at a more appropriate time.

Build up to WW1 (lots of wars around the world before that; Russia vs Japan, Russian revolution, Balkan Wars, France vs Morocco, Italy vs Turkey etc) as well as the build up to WW2 (political changes in many countries, arms race etc) is something that a game mostly centered around war is not going to portray really well. But if the devs manage something like this and call it HoI4 I'd buy it instantly.

The problem for a stand alone WW1 game is that the build up is of relatively minor historical importance as I don't think people expected that a massive war would take place, while the conflict was escalated mostly in Europe. Sure some expected a big war between some huge countries, but I don't think there was enough to say that this sort of thing would have happened. In WW2 it was pretty obvious.