Next DLC title leaked?

[Tufto]

I love how some people call the HRE the legitimate Rome, while it has no ties to Rome. It's core territory, Germany, was never controlled by Rome. It was not Holy, as it had an tendency to clash with the pope. It was not Roman, but german. It was not an empire, but a decentralized kingdom.
The Byzantine Empire was the legitimate successor to the Romans. Just because some odd historian called it 'Byzantine empire' doesn't mean it's not the Eastern Roman Empire. It's inhabitants were mostly greek, but they regarded themselves as being Roman.
Moscow regarded itself as the Third Rome as they were Orthodox(which the second Rome, Constantinople, also was). They also had a marriage to a Byzantine princess.

The HRE was recognised as the Western Empire by the Byzantines several times, and the very term "Emperor" implied that it was Roman back in medieval times. The HRE was an empire for a time, and even if its grip on power faded, well, so did Byzantium's.

 

[Joel M Bridge]

The HRE was recognised as the Western Empire by the Byzantines several times, and the very term "Emperor" implied that it was Roman back in medieval times. The HRE was an empire for a time, and even if its grip on power faded, well, so did Byzantium's.

Game start around one there epic falls on there faces.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

The HRE was recognised as the Western Empire by the Byzantines several times, and the very term "Emperor" implied that it was Roman back in medieval times. The HRE was an empire for a time, and even if its grip on power faded, well, so did Byzantium's.

I'm not sure, Charlemagne's Empire was not the HRE, it collapsed into ruin and the title was unused before the Ottonians, and I can't recall ATM whether the ERE recognised the Ottonian Dynasty.

 

[Alratan]

I love how some people don't pay attention and don't realise that the "HRE is neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire" statement was a QUOTE from VOLTAIRE! A man who lived when the HRE was actually around.

Yes, a man who lived when the HRE was actually around and made the quote in 1756, 49 years before the HRE was dissolved. The HRE of the 18th century did not necessarily bear much resemblance to the HRE of 1066-1453, a full 300-700 years prior. At that point, the HRE was even called 'The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation' (since 1512), had lost most its lands outside of Germany itself. The leaders no longer even went to Rome to be crowned by the Pope. By the time of Voltaire's time, the quote was almost certainly accurate, but to apply that to 700 years in the past is a bit of a stretch.

That said, the HRE was not really Roman as we would understand it today, and was a 'Roman Empire' in virtue of claiming to be Rome's successor state formed form tribes who were vaguely allied with Rome in the day.

 

[GillesDeRais]

I love how some people don't pay attention and don't realise that the "HRE is neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire" statement was a QUOTE from VOLTAIRE! A man who lived when the HRE was actually around.

The fact that Mr Arouet coined the phrase makes the whole point: he didn't much care for Germans and considered the German culture and language to be somewhat barabaric (his regular correspondence with the King of Prussia was in French) and at every turn he ridiculed them, for instance by insisting on how awful the language sounded to his French ear, he named one his chief caracters "Baron of Thunder Ten Tronck".... (try to say that with a French accent!!).

Besides Voltaire's opinion on an Empire that was founded almost one thousand years earlier is not very helpful here: the HRE would be dissolved about 100 years later...

You're also forgetting that Voltaire spoke French and in French it's NOT called HRE, disregarding English conventions and grammar it's called "Holy Roman Germanic Empire": his phrase meant mainly to point out that it was solely Germanic...

 

[Bad_Haggis]

The fact that they no longer went to rome to be crowned made them more Roman, as the emporers in the west never required the church to accept them.

 

[DLFebin]

The fact that they no longer went to rome to be crowned made them more Roman, as the emporers in the west never required the church to accept them.

Works both ways. The fact they were proclaimed as "WRE" and every true HRE emperor was coronated by Pope made them not Roman, "as the emporers in the west never required the church to accept them".

 

[Tufto]

I'm not sure, Charlemagne's Empire was not the HRE, it collapsed into ruin and the title was unused before the Ottonians, and I can't recall ATM whether the ERE recognised the Ottonian Dynasty.

I have a feeling they did a couple of times. They were always fairly patchy in their recognition, though.

 

[Darkath]

My guess is that the DLC will be sprites and flavor stuff for ERE and orthodoxy, while they release the gameplay changes as a patch.

That, my friend, would be awesome

 

[Voy]

My guess is that the DLC will be sprites and flavor stuff for ERE and orthodoxy, while they release the gameplay changes as a patch.

That, my friend, would be awesome

It is well enough isn't it?

 

[bmullins0118]

It'll have to do with Rome, simple.

Expansion on Republics and the Pope.

Also, Italians and their ordeal with the HRE.

 

[Gemberkoekje]

I want this. Whose *** should i *** to get in the beta?

 

[Tufto]

I want this. Whose *** should i *** to get in the beta?

Only you can tell us that.

 

[DLFebin]

If they will make republics playable as main theme of DLC and add better mechanics for Christian Empires, improvements to Orthodox religion in the patch, everything will be so cool... and no disabling dilemma for Byzantines. I hope they do it like that...

And I think not many people will buy Legacy of Rome if it is cosmetic DLC, thus hurting budgets of future DLC projects, sadly.

 

[Cetan]

I would love a proper Byzantine revamp. If that meant disabling it for play until the DLC was installed, I wouldn't mind. Paradox already has said that Byzantine was only made playable for the sake of playing it; it wasn't intended to be played.

I plan on buying the DLC no matter what.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Paradox already has said that Byzantine was only made playable for the sake of playing it; it wasn't intended to be played.

Where , when ? I think you made this up. I dont remember them saying anything like this, but please enlighten me. They were playable in CK1 from the start as well.

 

[s1234567890m]

Where , when ? I think you made this up. I dont remember them saying anything like this, but please enlighten me. They were playable in CK1 from the start as well.

Gars said during the SoI hissy fit, they included them only becuase they were in CK1 and people would chuck a tantrum if they werent

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Gars said during the SoI hissy fit, they included them only becuase they were in CK1 and people would chuck a tantrum if they werent

Are you sure he wasnt talking about muslims ? Still quite possible. Do you remember when or where (Link, video, thread) ? If not, no problem. Just curious.
Still, it be awkward to revise it. I doubt that they will make them unplayable.

Whatever they decide to do, it will be a surprise and we are all s/m folks here anyway, so we love this, don't we. *scared* :laugh:

 

[Cetan]

Are you sure he wasnt talking about muslims ? Still quite possible. Do you remember when or where (Link, video, thread) ? If not, no problem. Just curious.
Still, it be awkward to revise it. I doubt that they will make them unplayable.

Whatever they decide to do, it will be a surprise and we are all s/m folks here anyway, so we love this, don't we. *scared* :laugh:

It was specifically about the ERE, but I think it predated the SOI hissyfit as well. Back when they were talking about what got cut from the game and what would be in DLC/patches later on. A Byzantine system wasn't ready for launch, but at the last minute they made them playable under the normal feudalism rules, and would revisit them post-launch.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

It was specifically about the ERE, but I think it predated the SOI hissyfit as well. Back when they were talking about what got cut from the game and what would be in DLC/patches later on. A Byzantine system wasn't ready for launch, but at the last minute they made them playable under the normal feudalism rules, and would revisit them post-launch.

This might have been in the DevDiary about pre-release stuff that was cut out. Thanks for sharing. Suddenly it doesnt sound that scary anymore. Lets see.