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Hey A I think all of that looks great. If you can pull that or something like it off then I could add a saved game to the mod where Russia survives WW1. I would like that option for people to play.
delanonne
Hey C thanks for the feedback and the attachment. I want to give it a try and I will let you know what I think.
delanonne
Pu Yi would not be a good choice for Russians, since most of the Chinese already revolted against him. Yuan Keding would have a power base near the Russians, so supporting him would not be a problem, not to mention, that they will crush the Republicans, so any Republican uprising is counted in already.
For the three choices if they go the Republican puppet path, non of those are KMT members 100%. Some is in the Beiyang and Zhili Clique.
Again, I tried to have a path, that would only by minor parts derive in either a Monarchist or a Republican Russia.
The Pan-Turanism idea would be severly crushed by Russia. They could loose the entire Central Asian part, if they even strenghten them with East-Turkestan. Why would they want that?
The Basmachi are a serious problem. Maybe if they balkanize and give freedom to Khiva and the others would they consider it. But even then it seems pointless for them to attack East-Turkestan. A more likely outcome would be, that they supply the new Central Asian puppets to attack East Turkestan.
Mongolia is quite honestly useless for the Russian government, so they would probably give the territory to the Chinese, or use the mentioned tactic of colonizing it.
Maybe they would try to create a Monarchist Mongolian Empire. That might work, but it would be tiresome for them.
Until 1934 the 30th or so successor in paternal line of Genghis Khan still lived, so he could be used as a head. (If I remember correctly Stalin purged him.)
Tibet is also quite useless to the Russians. An alliance with them would be somewhat meaningless. They don't have anything that the Russian could use and their armies are outdated. Once again supplying them with weapons and dragging the Chinese to a stretched out guerilla war.
We should also consider what timeframe the Russians would invade and attack. In 1917-1920 the Japanese are only a threat in Siberia and some Eastern Chinese lands. Manchuria was only conquered by them in 1931. Ungern-Sternberg ruled Mongolia until 1920 and after that it was mostly a mess.
If before 1920 the Monarchy is supported there, than Yuan Shikai and later on it would be Yuan Keding. (Or multiple choices like the successor of Confucian, the successor to the Ming or even a rebel warlord crowned.)
The situation changes almost yearly. Until the '30s a Central Asian puppet is unlikely, since every minority there rebelled. You will not create a free state for those, who burn Russian villages. the late '20s and early '30s could be the turning point, but only after beating the hell out of them.
For the three choices if they go the Republican puppet path, non of those are KMT members 100%. Some is in the Beiyang and Zhili Clique.
Again, I tried to have a path, that would only by minor parts derive in either a Monarchist or a Republican Russia.
The Pan-Turanism idea would be severly crushed by Russia. They could loose the entire Central Asian part, if they even strenghten them with East-Turkestan. Why would they want that?
The Basmachi are a serious problem. Maybe if they balkanize and give freedom to Khiva and the others would they consider it. But even then it seems pointless for them to attack East-Turkestan. A more likely outcome would be, that they supply the new Central Asian puppets to attack East Turkestan.
Mongolia is quite honestly useless for the Russian government, so they would probably give the territory to the Chinese, or use the mentioned tactic of colonizing it.
Maybe they would try to create a Monarchist Mongolian Empire. That might work, but it would be tiresome for them.
Until 1934 the 30th or so successor in paternal line of Genghis Khan still lived, so he could be used as a head. (If I remember correctly Stalin purged him.)
Tibet is also quite useless to the Russians. An alliance with them would be somewhat meaningless. They don't have anything that the Russian could use and their armies are outdated. Once again supplying them with weapons and dragging the Chinese to a stretched out guerilla war.
We should also consider what timeframe the Russians would invade and attack. In 1917-1920 the Japanese are only a threat in Siberia and some Eastern Chinese lands. Manchuria was only conquered by them in 1931. Ungern-Sternberg ruled Mongolia until 1920 and after that it was mostly a mess.
If before 1920 the Monarchy is supported there, than Yuan Shikai and later on it would be Yuan Keding. (Or multiple choices like the successor of Confucian, the successor to the Ming or even a rebel warlord crowned.)
The situation changes almost yearly. Until the '30s a Central Asian puppet is unlikely, since every minority there rebelled. You will not create a free state for those, who burn Russian villages. the late '20s and early '30s could be the turning point, but only after beating the hell out of them.
Well, I find your comments fine but I disagree with some of them.
The best idea for China would be something like a desintegration and creation of micro-state based on the ethnicities and encourage them to be separated to avoid the Han control and what we see nowadays in China ( " Hanification " ). It would be easier to control and also would avoid to generate a great superpower that could fight against the Russian Empire (like what happened to the USSR with the PRC)
In the period of the Tsarist Russia, the turkic people had a lot of importance in Russia and there were a lot of nobles and princes serving alongside their russian fellows. They provinces had some special treatment (like the Khanate of Bukhara or Khiva among others) so I find that I would be interesting and funny giving the idea of unite the turkic tribes under the power of Russia. We didn't even know what the hell Nikolai II would do, so we invent it. So, I still thinking that annexing East Turkestan or creating a great Turkic state as a buffer zone there would be great.
With the Mongolians, well, I think that the interested of Russia on this country started much before their liberation from China. We know that they were relative behind in technologies but they were an important source of naturals resources like livestock, raw materials and food among others and it was an important zone to control and get closer to the potential enemies of the zone (China and Japan). The reality is that the Russians since the independece of Mongolia tried to stablish friendship with them but the outbreak of WW1 made them to stop it and focus on the war in Europe. So, again another fact that show the real interests of Russia in the little Asian country.
Finally, if there was a Russian intervention in East Turkestan I think that the Russians would seek the friendship from Tibet because they were enemistated with the Chinese and they would be annoying for them. Also Tibet is a rich zone of raw materials and strategic position between China and the British Empire.
And as I mention, all these events are unreal and the purpose is to make this mod great and funny and, if they are implemented you can decide if do it or not. Based on my knowledge of the situation of 1914 I will try to make events that could have a change of happening if the Russian Empire didn't collapsed.
Cheers.
With the micro-states in China you might be right, but the Turkic states are unfeasible in the time-frame of the game start and similar. Turkic rebels were completely similar to a hundred other rebels which fought for independence against Russia. Tartars, Kalmyk people, Yakuts and many more. Just think about it. You fight against theme for years and than suddenly you conclude defeat and not just give them a free country, but conquer them new lands for almost free. In second a myriad new rebellions would be broken out in Russia wanting to have the same results. Before the Basmachi rebellion that was a possibility, but after that it is impossible. If Nikolai II would still rule and do that they would shoot him on spot, or a military coup would storm him.
Well, for what I know the Basmachi revolt occurred due the ending of the exemption of Muslims from the compulsory military service in 1916. Yes, before this date there were some tensions between the native population and the russian settlers but the live but was fine and was an important region for his natural resources and the high ranks of the Turkestani were collaborationists with the tsarists authorities.
When the republican government collapsed and the soviets take the power, the turkic people "joined" the White movement because they were traditionalist and religious and the soviets were the common enemy. Even fighting them, you could have good relations... For example, the Soviets, although fight them, accepted some religious concessions like reinstating the Sharia law, Koran schools and others.
So, the relations between Russian People and Turkic people before 1914 were okay. The Russians leave to them to still administrate the zone with their institutions and their laws and, furthermore, the russians used a policy of deliberated traditional and islamic education in schools in order to hamper and destroy opposition to their rule by keeping the turkic people isolated and to prevent foreign ideologies from penetrating in. Also, the Russian authorities fomented the Turkification in some areas of Uzbekistan replacing the Tajik Persian language for the Uzbek Turkic language in order to prevent pro-Persian movements.
Finally, there could be an event to decide if end the exemption of Muslim conscription and depending of your choose makes one thing or the other:
- If you accept: there will revolts against the Russian Empire and your relationship with the turkic people would be bad.
- If you don't accept: you will have less manpower but it would offer the opportunity of increase relations with the turkic people and the possibilty of creating a united Turkestan.
This was especially important for the Russians, who didn't want to risk loss of the territory gained in the Great Game. While the Russians knew that the Qajar Dynasty couldn't possibly fight back and sustain a movement to regain territory lost, Turkification in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan (especially the Fergana Valley, by 1906 the area was reportedly 2/3 Uzbek) was important to ensure that the Persians couldn't possibly imagine retaking that land.Events could revolve around the success of Turkification, and during the Russian Civil War an expanded Central Asian war involving Afghans and Persians, as both had claims on the land.
On the topic of the civil war, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan/Bukhara Caliphate getting independence were significant central Asian events. I think it would only make sense to do the same in the mod.
As it stands, in my game the Whites won the Civil War.
Everything else is more or less historical so far, though Italy fell to the Italian Union, on the mainland, and Belarus, Basmatchi and Ukraine are alive.
How does this affect WW2, in the current build of the game?
Everything else is more or less historical so far, though Italy fell to the Italian Union, on the mainland, and Belarus, Basmatchi and Ukraine are alive.
How does this affect WW2, in the current build of the game?
Hey A if the whites win the RCW then the game will be affected as far as the Germans having an easier time. If you do not want that to happen then you can always take a saved game at a certain point in time and let it play out as some minor country like Haiti and let the RCW play out again until you get a historic outcome. The current version of the RCW is a bit wonky. Before it always came out historic but was kinda boring. So this version gives you some interesting options but can still also come out historic. I always have on monthly autosaves and do a save every year around the first of January so you can go back anytime and replay as another country. I also keep saves of interesting outcomes like Commie USA or England. I am currently playing a game where Russia survives WW1 which is a lot of fun. The trick is when to hit the Germans. In one version I waited until 1 January 42 and the Germans creamed me. So I went back and started in September 39 and was able to beat them. Tho only weird thing is that I cannot puppet Germany. Every time I try it breaks the game. Not sure why so I am forced to keep them. They make a much better puppet. Oh well.
delanonne
Hey C what is the point of using the DH full events? I have played DH full WW1 and it does not go as well as our version. So why include them here?
delanonne
Hello. This is a preview of the work I am doing on the graphics part of the game. I used many images created by "bestmajor" for his mod "Darkest Hour in Color" (https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dh-germany-in-colour.631989/) that he made accessible. For now there are more than 600 MB of graphics, more than 90% colored. If someone had colored photos, in high definition, as regards the period of the First World War, if he wants, could upload them here, they could come back to me useful. Thank you.
Very nice. I'll look and compile what I think you may find useful.