Newbie: Offering peace!

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I've clicked. I've dragged. I've pressed 'em keys. But no matter what I do, I can't add a province in the 'Offer Peace' screen. All I can do is demand moneY! I already have the provinces I 'want' occupied and all.

I'm playing as Austria, and I'm trying to annex Bohemia (having a permanent CB and all), but I can't since they're not offering provinces in their peace offers, and I can't for the reason above. Can anybody help please?

 

[SideshowBob]

I don't know what you are doing wrong so some of what i tell you may appear simple or stupid. Sorry but i need to make sure you have covered all the basics. To take provinces off someone you have to do the following.

1. Move an army into the province.

2. Actually siege it. This means your army has to sit there firing it's cannon until the province falls. At that point if you hover your mouse over the province it should say 'owned by Bohemia controlled by Austria'

3. For every province you capture you get 2 stars in the peace deal screen and the capital is useful as they are more likely to accept if you control that.

4. Once you have control over some provinces, go to diplomacy screen, select Bohemia and choose offer peace.

5. A list of provinces that you control should come up in the screen, you can click on the names of the provinces you control and they are selected. You can see two of the gold stars turn red for each province selected.

6. You can also offer to take money, each 250, is worth 1 star. Once you are happy with you offer click OK to send. The computer will accept or refuse. If it refuses capture more or offer less.

7. If you control their whole country then a button should come up saying annex, click this to take over everything.

 

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Oh, thanks! I was trying to annex the province of Bohemia, but I think I can't annex a capital! My fault!

Another question: say I'm playing as Austria, and I eventually get a seaside province. Is there any chance I'll get explorers and conquistadores (sp?), or will I have to resort to the 'capital raid' scheme?

 

[SideshowBob]

You can't take over a capital and still leave a country in existence. You can get the capital province of a non gold bordered country eg. Bohemia, but only if you control all their provinces and annex them. Annexing people will put your bad boy up and people will gang up to attack you because they think you are getting too powerful. But you can get away with a little bit, Bohemia shouldn't hurt too much, just wait for BB to go down, before you take much more.

No you don't get and explorers or conquestadors as historical leaders but you might get some as a random event. It's random obviously, but chances are you would probably see at least one during the game, maybe more. Obviously you can't get an explorer random event unless you have a port, but i have had a conq as landlocked Austria. Lot of bloody good that is, i thought to myself.

 

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I started playing EU about 6 months ago, and have also had problems when taking provinces. I noticed that sometimes when I capture a province and try to offer peace in exchange for that province I only have 1 star, and so have to capture another province to guarantee the star count. If you are playing as a country with anexpensive and relatively poor quality army, such as England this can lead to all kinds of logistical nightmares

Any ideas why I only have 1 star, I thought it might be because I have a foreign army rampaging through my countryside, but have never been able to confirm this

 

[Nikolai II]

Originally posted by Feanors7
Any ideas why I only have 1 star, I thought it might be because I have a foreign army rampaging through my countryside, but have never been able to confirm this

I have been told that one of the later patches actually gives the computer a hidden star to avoid it giving peace to fast. If this is the case then laying siege to his capital will remove the star (no need to take capital, only have army large enough to siege)

Otherwise you can (the manual says) get + or - 3 stars from battles, and sometimes maybe that happens, but the only battles I am certain counts are sieges/assaults. Which reminds me, a province without a fort is only worth one star. (Provinces are only worth one, but if you have to take a fort, then that is a battle (+1star).)

 

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Ah, that could be it, I have a habit of going for opportunist attacks on provinces and am usually not too worried if the main field army takes a mauling as long as I can capture the province, but it would make sense for the computer not to hand it over if it thinks it could destroy the rest of my army at will.

I do tend to go for capitals if possible, although armies such as Russia or Turkey have the ability to just throw hordes of troops at opponents and just swamp them so my attacks when running these countries tend to be a bit less precise. After all if the province is under siege the computer can't build more troops right? Reinforcements come up, then chuck them at the walls...

Maybe from now on it would be worth trying to look after the diversionary armies for a quicker victory

 

[SideshowBob]

IIRC it's around patch 1.06/1.07 that the computer gets the hidden extra star. What used to happen before this patch was that everybody and his dog would DoW you because of BB. But they didn't really want to be at war, so you could go round them all offering white peace and most would accept. Made BB wars pretty pointless.

Getting stars from battles i think depends on the number of troops you beat. You have to defeat or kill, (i'm not sure) a certain number to get a star. It is possible, a couple of big battles, beat around 20-30k and then you might get a star.

That is correct Feanors7, you can't build troops in a province under siege. Also it is quite a minor effect but who is left in it's alliance is one of the factors the AI considers when saying yes/no to annexation. If you control all of a country and they refuse annexation, then get peace with all their allies, leaving them in the war on their own, and try again.

 

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my advice- upgrade to 1.10 after I did, I had no problems.

 

[Sorcerer]

Feanors7, you only get 1 star for controlling 1 province. But you need two stars for demanding it, so you always have to conquer at least 2 provinces to demand one in a peace treaty. Unless you're lucky and the AI offers your first conquered province, of course. And I don't think taking a fort gives you another star, this would be too easy...
I can only advice everybody to update to ver. 1.10, it's worth it.

Btw, Feanors7, did you get your nickname from 'Silmarillion'?

 

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Austrian conquistadors are great for beseiging Tyrol or Helvetia. They get their attrition bonus in Europe, so the seige is much cheaper. Just be careful they don't get in a fight with a 0-0-0 leader!

 

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Also they add 5% to converison attempts. Good for those protestant provinces in Hungary

 

[BiB]

Conversion?

 

[Sorcerer]

Cohn-verr-sieon? Never heard about it! Oh, wait, I remember I read something about it in a SF-Novel called 'EU2'. No offense meant...

I hope I never post in the wrong forum, I would be beaten by my sarcastic comments.

 

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Btw, Feanors7, did you get your nickname from 'Silmarillion'?


I most certainly did. I couldn't decide which net name of one of his sons to use so I took them all





I hadn't actually considered beating up my opponents allies to get him to surrender quicker. As I mentioned earlier I have only been playing a few months and so a lot of the intricacies of the game are still hidden from me. I have learnt not to get into alliances with aggressive countries the hard way though

 

[Sorcerer]

Oh, it can have it's advantages, too. You needn't declare war yourself.

And beating your opponents allies is a good strategy when you intend to annex your opponent. As long as it has hope (in form of its allies), it will not surrender.

 

[SideshowBob]

You don't have to DoW yourself, but you had better be quick or your good friend the war leader will make a seperate peace and all your gains will be undone. You will suddenly find yourself at peace and your troops have a long walk home. Personally i don't like fighting wars on behalf of my allies, and will only give limited help.

 

[Sorcerer]

Of course choosing your own wars is better, but if there's a chance of getting one or two provinces in an ally's war, why not?

 

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Therefore the best thing to do is:

a) ally with an agressive country, thus not making you a target.
b) make a seperate peace when you are winning with one country (if you're in a war with a major nation, try them first) Then you can annex the annoying little country...
c) be careful! If you find (as I often do in an Italian campaign) that Spain, Austria or France are at war with you and your ally, try peace before being greedy. It was as Naples that I luckily managed to annex the Papal States, make peace with Savoy and Helvitia to block super power France in. Even Luckier, I actually made peace with France!

d) remember, yesterdays ally is todays foe and vice-versa. If you are rich, strive for balance and pay-offs to make yourself bigger and others smaller

Just be EXTRA careful, my reputation for helping an ally fighting other nations goes down when I get peace from the defeated nations.

 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer
Of course choosing your own wars is better, but if there's a chance of getting one or two provinces in an ally's war, why not?

That's my way too. I actually never DoW a country. I wait till they DoW me or one of my allies, or till one of my allies DoW them.

This way I never need a CB and I won't get any stability loses either