Newbie game : Discussion thread

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On the Trade post issue, well Persia and Portugal declared war on me and Portugal moved with speed against my Indonesian colonies and Australia, demanding Sunda and Jakarta, Persia predictably attacked India itself as my troops retreated. atm Persia owns all of India and Columbo and Porto owns Australia and most of my Indian provinces.
However the portuguese mainland has fallen to english troops and my fleet has decimated the portuguese fleet in the indonesia's and a small force has landed in Africa with the intention to burn or capture anything there.
That is pretty much it, although I am sure Porto and Persia have some nasty lies about it, I am sure I would have some under their circumstances

 

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@Fnuco: use F12 + (type columbus) to open the map before saving a screenshot.

@ Balinus: there was a deal about Lugansk in 1675 ...

 

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About the burning of Trading posts... I have played all this game and thougth that you weren't allowed to burn tps over lvl. 1... I remember asking someone (bal?) about it in the beggining and having this answer... I may have missunderstood it but either way I did play as this wasn't allowed.. I didn't burn any from others and uppgraded all of mine to lvl 3+ instead of making colonies, as I thought I could allways build colonies there later as nobody was allowed to burn them...

And about this war... if what he's doing is totally legal I can't see a reason to do it anyway... it is a fair figth between me and england as persia only remains in India and I have to deal with the rest of the English empire...
Especially as he didn't act very mature before by invading my homeland threw Spain... And yes Fnuco I know he had that military access before the war... But you also declared yourself neutral in the conflict which is perfectly in order except for one thing... If I know my lesson correctly to be neutral meens you are not under any circomstances going to help any side in the war... And as my homeland irl Sweden was neutral during the WWs I also know that a neutral country by definition has to protect it's geografic intigrity... Wish meens any soldiers entering the neutral country from either sides shall be shot or captured...

If you didn't plan to hold on to this it was okay... but then you shouldn't say your neutral when you're not!
Cause my whole strategy on my homeland relied on my navy to protect it from invasion´... which it also did...

 

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About the burning of Trading posts... I have played all this game and thougth that you weren't allowed to burn tps over lvl. 1... I remember asking someone (bal?) about it in the beggining and having this answer... I may have missunderstood it but either way I did play as this wasn't allowed.. I didn't burn any from others and uppgraded all of mine to lvl 3+ instead of making colonies, as I thought I could allways build colonies there later as nobody was allowed to burn them...

And about this war... if what he's doing is totally legal I can't see a reason to do it anyway... it is a fair figth between me and england as persia only remains in India and I have to deal with the rest of the English empire...
Especially as he didn't act very mature before by invading my homeland threw Spain... And yes Fnuco I know he had that military access before the war... But you also declared yourself neutral in the conflict which is perfectly in order except for one thing... If I know my lesson correctly to be neutral meens you are not under any circomstances going to help any side in the war... And as my homeland irl Sweden was neutral during the WWs I also know that a neutral country by definition has to protect it's geografic intigrity... Wish meens any soldiers entering the neutral country from either sides shall be shot or captured...

If you didn't plan to hold on to this it was okay... but then you shouldn't say your neutral when you're not!
Cause my whole strategy on my homeland relied on my navy to protect it from invasion´... which it also did...

should i have cancelled MA to England? then, to be neutral, i should have cancelled MA to you too. and i would lose 2 stab just so you could be happy?

i think you should have seen that England had MA in Spain and protect against a possible invasion. By being neutral in colonial wars i mean not getting involved in the war if it is for colonies only. Not cancelling MA to one or the other.

 

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Didn't act very mature?
What is that supposed to mean, that I took advantage of a bad mistake by you :rofl: , and should be ashamed of myself?
And it is hardly a fair fight when I am defending against two colonial giants who attacked with the element of surprise and you people didn't even mention it was a colonial war to me, so I think that you should peace out now Porto or I will have to destroy your African stuff and then move onto Brazil and I already own Portugal proper, if you are interested in a fair peace treaty before I get annoyed and demand more please ICQ me...

 

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should i have cancelled MA to England? then, to be neutral, i should have cancelled MA to you too. and i would lose 2 stab just so you could be happy?

i think you should have seen that England had MA in Spain and protect against a possible invasion. By being neutral in colonial wars i mean not getting involved in the war if it is for colonies only. Not cancelling MA to one or the other.

Yeah... but If you wnated to be neutral you could just have told us both not to use the MA we had with you and you wouldn't have lost any stability...

 

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Stats

ok, About TP. I thought about it yesterday. This can be very dangerous to allow one country to be able to burn all TPs a country have. Therefore, I suggest a maximum number of TPs that can be burned. I suggest 5.

You might agree or not, but one thing is sure is that we need something to restrain a country to completely destroy another nation TPs. So feeel free to suggest something else if you have an idea.

About the mature thing I don't see what's immature to invade Portugal through Spain if Spain allows it.

 

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@ Balinus: there was a deal about Lugansk in 1675 ...

Yes, will do the edit.

 

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about TP burning i suggest level 4 or 5... maybe 5 is right, since TPs are quite cheap to establish

so no above lvl 5 burning.

we won't be applying this rule retroactively, right?

 

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about TP burning i suggest level 4 or 5... maybe 5 is right, since TPs are quite cheap to establish

so no above lvl 5 burning.

we won't be applying this rule retroactively, right?

I was more talking about number of TPs instead of level. But yes, we can also limit the level that can be burned.

And, indeed, we won't apply this retroactively.

 

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I was more talking about number of TPs instead of level. But yes, we can also limit the level that can be burned.

And, indeed, we won't apply this retroactively.

or a numer of TPs per level?

like 0 level 6, 1 lvl 5, 2 lvl 4, 3 lvl 3 and no limit for lvl 2 and 1...

IMO if you dont secure a TP, you either deserve to lose it (if defensive war) or you should not DoW (offensive)

 

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Yeah I mean, if you decide to take the quick easy approach to colonisation (Trade Posts) then there are going to be risks to it, also it stops people spamming colonies with TPs, now other nations can try to colonise the gold of North Africa, if we do put in this rule I think it should be a "no burning over level x" as opposed to "only burn x trade posts"

 

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Stats

About the mature thing I don't see what's immature to invade Portugal through Spain if Spain allows it.

I only think that's pretty low to use that kind of tactic when Spain said he was neutral... But if Spain allowed it as you say then I agree with you.. Although in that case I think Spain could have stated that he supported England and wasn't neutral... cause such an act did indeed help England in the war...

 

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Yeah I mean, if you decide to take the quick easy approach to colonisation (Trade Posts) then there are going to be risks to it, also it stops people spamming colonies with TPs, now other nations can try to colonise the gold of North Africa, if we do put in this rule I think it should be a "no burning over level x" as opposed to "only burn x trade posts"

While I tend to agree with Fnuco's solution, I think it would be easier to just have 1 number to remember when playing. Thus no burning of level 4,5 and 6?

 

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But if Spain allowed it as you say then I agree with you.. Although in that case I think Spain could have stated that he supported England and wasn't neutral... cause such an act did indeed help England in the war...

Well, that's what I meant. His bet was maybe to say he was neutral but still managed to do some deal with England ? Who knows.

 

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Fnuco didn't do any deal with me, how could he seeing as I had no warning of your attack, Fnuco had already given me MA and I used it, i don't think Fnuco even considered that this would help me, I asked for his aid and he said he would stay neutral,
I agree with your solution bal, so I won't burn any level 4 or over TPs,

 

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I have to say i agree with Portugal, if u are neutral you can't help in anyway either side.

Fnuco should have told Dr Bob that he was not allowed to go through his country, or he would have to take extreme measures.

If fnuco isn't taking side i think he should ask England to remove those troops he sent through Spain and then never use MA in anyway to help against the war vs Porto, same things goes to Porto ofcourse.

 

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I have to say i agree with Portugal, if u are neutral you can't help in anyway either side.

Fnuco should have told Dr Bob that he was not allowed to go through his country, or he would have to take extreme measures.

If fnuco isn't taking side i think he should ask England to remove those troops he sent through Spain and then never use MA in anyway to help against the war vs Porto, same things goes to Porto ofcourse.

Porto knew England and Spain had mutual MA.( Porto and Spain do too) It is only a sign of good will and cooperation. By being neutral as you say and not allowing England to attack through my teritory, i would be breaking a sign of cooperation with him, therefore not being neutral anymore.

Does this strike only me as being weird? I mean Porto's and Persia's claim to "tell England he was not allowed to march through" my land?

War is war, gentlemen! Admit that you did not plan EVERYTHING in detail when you planned your attack, and that's it! I would suggest peace between Portugal and England, WP or money peace. I would hate to see Portuguese TPs disappear or England struck by rebellions. As soon as the peace is signed, i will be the first one to sail troops to England and crush the rebels, as well as financially aiding Portugal in re-establishing its colonial posessions. I am a friend of both, do not make me choose! For you know my involvement in the war would tip the balance too much towards a side.

For the moment i hope in a diplomatic solution of this problem, since I know that both of you will profit from peace.

Thank you.

 

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My opinions:
on TPs burning: I think it should be allowed at any level, I mean it's a game feature and it should be changed, plus if you take the fast and easy road to colonization - TPs, there are some risks that come with it, and main one is getting your TPs burned. I agree that burning TPs is pretty low tactic, but its still a legitimate one.

on England "abusing" MA to Spain - i think its perfectly ok, its a war and England just trickied Portugal. Bull clearly said that he relied on his navy to protect homeland and just didnt expect the english will come from other side .
And i say - good for English, good play should be rewarded .
And last thing - there is nothing personal about it, so please no offence, Bulldozer.

 

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While I tend to agree with Fnuco's solution, I think it would be easier to just have 1 number to remember when playing. Thus no burning of level 4,5 and 6?

The Emperor agrees.