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have a problem with the tech tree. it seem that something in the artillery or thanks crash the game when i try to load a save anyone else have that problem. and if so is there a fix. love the mod and all the attention norway has gotten thanks.
 

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Mods are usually never finished :) I don't think I added any tech teams to Saudi Arabia and there's not too many events because there I found no actual events on bigger international scale which generally got my attention for other countries.

Would it be too presumptuous of me to suggest some? :oops: (Events and tech teams, I mean?)

About commanders: there was a time when sometimes someone complained (I rightfully I must say) that in the late Cold War era there are still thousands of ministers and leaders from WW2 timeline. So many versions ago I decided to introduce a cutoff date around 1960 so that most of people left alive by then are deemed retired. There is a big bunch of generic commanders that have the great ability of actually gaining experience (something that random generals cannot) but this has to be earned in wars. I guess, there's no perfect way; if the mod had an installer, that would surely be one option to put there.

Well, as a middle solution, how about have the generic commanders be of different ranks from Field Marshal to Mj.General? Having all of them be zero skill Mj.Generals ruins all my armies because I have a stack of infantry once commanded by a Field Marshal.

Besides, it makes little sense that a military establishment has no one waiting in the wings to get promoted to these positions.
 

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Problems with anti_tanks being built is an old problem which I managed to fix in a hotfix to 2.2.6, I think, so it shouldn't be the case. Can you post one of those savegame files (I hope it won't look that garbled as in your post :) )? I'd take a look.

I reinstalled DH and NWO. The problem in the old saving has not disappeared. New save loaded, but I haven't tried it on big time.
I have one question, sorry if this question has already been. Why in the scenarios of the cold war (1950,1953,1959) the enemy does not use intelligence?

Old save - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B81GzJQDOmuzaW56MUMwc0tyRWs
 

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Could somebody explain the UAR events to me? I loaded up the 1956 start as Egypt and waited for the UAR decisions to become available, through a little saving and loading I was able to get Syria, Iraq and Jordan to join the union, however after this nothing happened, and after a few years the union dissolved as it usually would. How do I get the UAR to become permanent, as well as getting Lebanon to join and gaining cores on Israel? I looked in the events file and permanent UAR requires three events that are seemingly unrelated to the previous UAR events, what are they? and otherwise, how do I achieve a permanent UAR, as well as the membership of Lebanon and cores for Israel. Any help would be appreciated!
 

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Would it be too presumptuous of me to suggest some? :oops: (Events and tech teams, I mean?)

Well, as a middle solution, how about have the generic commanders be of different ranks from Field Marshal to Mj.General? Having all of them be zero skill Mj.Generals ruins all my armies because I have a stack of infantry once commanded by a Field Marshal.

Sure, feel free to suggest additions. And it's a good idea to have higher level generals (at least Lt.Gen and Gen.) among generic commanders - I'll surely include it.

I reinstalled DH and NWO. The problem in the old saving has not disappeared. New save loaded, but I haven't tried it on big time.
I have one question, sorry if this question has already been. Why in the scenarios of the cold war (1950,1953,1959) the enemy does not use intelligence?

Old save - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B81GzJQDOmuzaW56MUMwc0tyRWs

I can't try if it works now but I made fixes as I remember: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...7340&authkey=!APVMAdYUXHYoMAI&ithint=file,zip

And I'll take a look again at the files when I'm at home, maybe it's a regression due to integrating TGC tech tree.
 

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Question: what are the ID number tag thingies for the new unit types? I'd like to add some names for them (like U.S.S. Farragut for U.S. DDG's) in unitnames.csv, but I don't know how.
 

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Question: what are the ID number tag thingies for the new unit types? I'd like to add some names for them (like U.S.S. Farragut for U.S. DDG's) in unitnames.csv, but I don't know how.
I didn't touch the file but maybe db\units\division_types.txt gives this answer with ID numbers shown there as comments?
 

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I didn't touch the file but maybe db\units\division_types.txt gives this answer with ID numbers shown there as comments?

All right, found it, thanks. If I ever manage to churn out another "improvement pack" it'll very likely have all sorts of new names for units.
 

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Sure, feel free to suggest additions. And it's a good idea to have higher level generals (at least Lt.Gen and Gen.) among generic commanders - I'll surely include it.

I'm glad I can help, even in a small way!

Tech Teams:

King Abdulaziz Military Academy
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Start Year: 1955
Skill: 2
Specialties:
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Centralized Execution

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Small Unit Tactics

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Military Industries Corpration
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Start Year: 1950

Skill: 2
Specialties:
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General Equipment

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Mechanics


College of Petroleum and Minerals
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Start Year: 1963
Skill: 4
Specialties:
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Chemistry

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Industrial Engineering

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Management

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Mathematics


Al Rajihi Bank
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Start Year: 1958
Skill: 3
Specialties:
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Management


Saudi Bin Laden Group:
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Start Year: 1931
Skill: 4
Specialties:
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Industrial Engineering

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Management


Saudi Oger
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Start Year: 1978
Skill: 3
Specialties:

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Abdullah Al Faris and Sons Ltd.
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Start year: 1976
Skill: 2
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Vinnel Arabia
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Start Year: 1975
Skill: 6
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I think that should do it for tech teams. Hopefully, I didn't OVER do it.

As for events, I'll just list them instead of provide in game information for them since I'm not really sure how they trigger in game:

The Quincy Agreement
February 14th 1945
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The Quincy Agreement, called that due to the meeting taking place on the USS Quincy, is the beginning of the US-Saudi Relationship to this day. Returning from the Yalta conference, FDR met with King Ibn Saud to discuss regional matters. The agreement they reached would be familiar to anyone today: Military Assistance and training in exchange for oil.

The same relationship endures to this day despite being diametrically opposed nations in regards to culture and government.

Establishment of OPEC
(September 14. 1960)
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Once the thrall of the "Seven Sisters", the oil producing world would change forever in Baghdad when the Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait and Venezuela joined together to form the Organization of Petrol Exporting Nations, aka OPEC. A unified direction for oil policy would give these nations political power far greater than their economies or militaries permitted.

Abolition of Slavery
(1962)
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Under pressure from the United States, Saudi Arabia finally abolished slavery late in 1962. In reality, the institution of slavery was on its way out by 1962, with the government emancipating the remaining 1682 slaves still remaining at a cost of 2000$ each, it simply made the transition formal.

The "Free Princes" Movement
(15th August 1962)
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Informally started in the late 1950s by Prince Talal bin Abdulaziz (The minister of finance in Saud's cabinet), the "'Free Princes" were a collection of Saudi Royals and influential politicians (such as Oil Minister Abdullah Tariki) who were enamored with Gamel Abdel Nasser's Pan-Arabist ideals and demanded reforms in Saudi Arabia such as the implementation of a constitution, increased rights for women and the possibility of a constitutional monarchy.

They were some of the few that still backed King Saud in his confrontations with King Faisal and that would keep them in power till Faisal demanded their removal in order to make peace with Saud.

Therefore in a speech in Beirut, Talal would launch a verbal attack on the Saudi state and would be exiled to Egypt to begin propaganda broadcasts for the Nasser regime until the end of the 1964, when estrangement with Nasser lead to Talal making peace with Faisal and returning to Saudi Arabia, therefore ending the Movement.

The player here can choose whether or not to exile the Free Princes with differing effects on government policy and dissent.

The Abdication of King Saud
(28th March 1964)
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Currently in the game, Saud simply dies and is replaced by Faisal in 1964. In reality, he was forced from government by Faisal's allies in the government after quite a power struggle. Perhaps the player can choose whether Saud stays (in which case he dies in 1969 and the crown goes to Faisal), Faisal is succesful (the current state in the game), or that Faisal is exiled instead (in which the crown goes to King Khalid after Faisal). Very interesting possibilities here.

The North Yemen Civil War
(September 26th, 1962)
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A republican coup d'etat against the new Imam of the Mutwakkilite Kingdom of Yemen, Muhammed Al-Badr, only partly succeeded and set off a Civil War in the Yemen, with Republican forces supported by Egypt and Royalist Forces supported by Saudi Arabia and Jordan. The war was part of a larger cold war between Saudi Arabia and Egypt and when Egypt sent troops to aid the Republicans, Saudi Arabia sent money, arms, mercenaries and even some elements of the Saudi National Guard to aid the Royalist cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutawakkilite_Kingdom_of_Yemen
Saudi support would be withdrawn in 1965 and the Egyptians would withdraw due to the Six Day War in 1967. By 1970, Saudi Arabia recognized the Republican Government and the Royalist cause fell by the wayside and Muhammed Al-Badr went into exile in London.

This could be a very similar event to "Spanish Civil War" in the main game, with the option to send volunteers and aid to your side of the war.

Faisal's Modernizations
(1965)

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Despite Faisal's reputation as a conservative, he attempted to reform the Saudi nation in subtle ways. Ironically, his conservative reputation would mean only he would have the clout with the religious establishment to push through his reforms, including the introduction of Television and Education for Women.

At a protest at a Television studio, a man was shot by police. He would turn out to be Prince Khaled bin Musaid, who opposed Faisal's reforms. Faisal chose not to punish the policeman who fired the fatal bullet, a decision that would change the course of Saudi Arabia later on.


The Arab Oil Embargo
(October 17th, 1973)
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In response to US Aid to Israel in the Yom Kippur War, Faisal agreed with OPEC to cut oil supplies to the west in protest. Oil prices increased from 5$ to 12$ per barrel and gas rationing was introduced as shortages caused many cities in the United States to grind to a standstill and highlighted the dependency of the United States on Middle Eastern Oil.

Assassination of King Faisal
(March 25th, 1975)
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During an innocuous "Majlis", a meeting between the King and his subjects, Faisal's nephew, Prince Faisal ibn Musaid, leans towards the King for a kiss. Suddenly, he pulls out a pistol and shoots his Uncle twice at point blank range before being apprehended. The King dies and the Prince is charged with regicide and executed.

The stated motive was Faisal's pardoning of the police officer who killed the Prince's brother at the protest in front of the Saudi television station but conspiracy theories of American and Israeli plots would continue to swirl for years afterwards.

Royal Commission for Jubail and Yanbu
(1975)
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The financial windfall provided by Faisal's oil embargo and his legendary thriftiness provided Khalid with the funds he needed to institute massive infrastructure programs. Chief of which are turning the two sleepy fishing villages of Jubail and Yanbu, the former on the Persian Gulf and the latter on the Red Sea, into the epicenters of the Saudi petrochemical and refining industries.

The Grand Mosque Seizure
(20th November, 1979)
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Juhayman Al-Otaibi, a former member of the Elite Saudi National Guard and member of a prominent family, had developed extremist views after the modernization carried out by King Faisal and continued under King Khalid. He declared his Brother in Law Mohammed Al Qahtani to be the "Mahdi", an Islamic concept similar to the Messiah, and began preparations to overthrow the Saudi Monarchy before the apocalypse, which he viewed as immenent. His armed group of followers then stormed the Grand Mosque in Mecca and took worshipers hostage, declaring the Saudi royal family as corrupt and the Saudi religious establishment, his own teachers, to be "sellouts" and "stooges" of the regime.

After running battles for over two weeks, the Saudi forces finally broke through with the aid of the Pakistani SSG Commandos and French GIGN advice. The death toll during the battles was over 500 for all participants combined.

The remaining terrorists were sentenced to execution and beheaded in their own hometowns. King Khalid's response in the aftermath was to, surprisingly, give increased power to the religious establishment and set Saudi Arabia back towards the path to conservatism after the relatively liberal 60s and 70s.

The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
(December 25th, 1979)
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The surprise soviet aggression in Afghanistan in late 1979 was a blessing for Saudi Arabia right after the Grand Mosque seizure. The country's religious fury could be turned against a proper enemy: The atheist communists oppressing Muslim brothers in the East. Saudi Arabia would provide millions of dollars of aid to the Afghan Mujihadeen and several thousand young men would volunteer for Jihad, chief among them Osama bin Laden.

Though the exploits of these Arab fighters has been overblown (only about 2000 were in Afghanistan at any one time) they became heroes back home and their defeat of the Soviet Union inspired them to take their Jihad to what they saw as the bigger enemy: The West.

Similar to the North Yemen civil war event above, Saudi Arabia can have a choice to send aid or not to the Afghans.

Iran-Iraq War
(September 20th, 1980)
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Saudi Arabia had been very favorable to the Shah of Iran during his reign. As a fellow monarch, the Saudis saw him as a more natural ally compared to Arab Republican Iraq, more closely aligned to Saudi Arabia's bitter rivals, Egypt.

That changed with the Islamic revolution and the failure of Saudi diplomatic efforts to the Ayatollah. With the start of the war against Iran, the Saudis threw their support behind their Sunni Arab ally, Saddam Hussein.

Same deal with the North Yemen Civil War and the Soviet invasion above, Saudi Arabia has a choice here.

US-Saudi AWACS sale
(June 1986)
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Only months after taking office, Ronald Reagan announced the biggest Arms deal in US history (up to that point). The sale of five brand new E-3 Sentry AWACS planes to Saudi Arabia. The sale of one of the most advanced pieces of equipment in the US Arsenal was harshly met by Congress, the Senate, the US Public and Israel.

Reagan's reasoning was to provide a bulwark for Saudi Arabia against the newly intransigent Iran and pushed the deal through. His decision would bring Saudi Arabia even closer to the US sphere of influence.

Saudi Purchase of Ballistic Missiles from China
(1987)

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During the height of the "War of the Cities", where Iraq and Iran bombarded each others urban centers with SCUD missiles and Strategic bombers, Saudi Arabia sought to purchase ballistic missiles from the United States to act as a deterrent.

Obstructed by high pressure due to the sale of the AWACS to Saudi Arabia,the Reagan administration refused and Saudi Arabia instead found an unlikely supplier: Communist China.

Only publicly displayed in 2014, the DF-3 missiles, despite their age, are still the largest ballistic missiles in the Middle East today and demonstrated that Saudi Arabia will go behind America's back if they feel that adequate support is not forthcoming.


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I think that's enough, or more likely too much. I tend to ramble on so please forgive the wall of text.



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Hey! burning Phoenix! good stuff!! great job! now only remains to add it to the game!;)
 

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It may interest a few of you to know that I've just started a new AAR based on a play-through of this excellent mod. If anyone wants to see what sort of a world NWO can inspire, please do check out the link in my signature. :)