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I have done that, along with Mixed mod. It's ok but it somewhat hard to get a non-Alt History world though.

Thanks for your answer, then it's probably worth to try CWTT, AAR and NWO mix. Altough general setup probably doesen't favor alt-historical outcomes, it'd be still interesting to try to survive as Ottomans into 1940s.
 

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Do the resources change in a game started with NWO in say 1933 to the levels of the 1945 NWO scenario? For example, the big oil province in Saudi Arabia is "1" oil in 1936, but "45" oil in 1945 - will it "grow" to that level during a game?
 

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Hi to all..i played as France but at the end i have an europe divide in a strange way..with finland norway and romania divided in 2 zones..one communist and the other allied with America..is it normal?
 

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Hi to all..i played as France but at the end i have an europe divide in a strange way..with finland norway and romania divided in 2 zones..one communist and the other allied with America..is it normal?

It is plausible.

When Germany falls, the Allies keep their occupied lands and the Soviets theirs. Then what is left from Germany is distributed to the occupier of Berlin (with special exception of Denmark and Norway which, if still in German hands, go to the Allies). Then all the countries are recreated and if the front goes through the center of a country, two zones are created.

Mobilization events need to be fixed. Deathdates are set for 1963, this is gamebreaking for later scenerios.

Good point to remember about for 2.2. Thanks.

Is there any progress on implementing the Cold War tech tree expansion mod to the later scenarios in NWO?

If you mean if countries in 1945+ scenarios start with CWTT-specific techs, then yes, but only a couple of basic techs are handed out for the most important powers. I didn't have time for more detailed approach and thankfully CWTT doesn't generally mess with basic DH tech tree. After all, they can be quickly researched in the first years of gameplay. I'll have to devote more time for this for post-1963 scenarios when they come though.

If you miss some specific tech in starting lineups, let me know.

Do the resources change in a game started with NWO in say 1933 to the levels of the 1945 NWO scenario? For example, the big oil province in Saudi Arabia is "1" oil in 1936, but "45" oil in 1945 - will it "grow" to that level during a game?

Yes, you don't have to start in 1945 or later to get resource production events.
 

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Problem with events chain for USA in 45' scenario:

In 1945 starts Chinese Civil War between Communists and Nationalist. USA have a event:

CEQmidhUfOI.jpg


I choose "Propose full alliance", next event -

4r_TmeEtvcQ.jpg


I choose "Ignore ultimatum" and nothing happens...

USSR doesn't have event for this case
and I don't have alliance with China, too
 

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Bizon,

I have an idea for purge event for USSR Army in 1941

some of them were arrested due to problems in Soviet aviation (plane crashes, poor quality engines, weak air defense)
these were:

leaders:
Stern G.M. (id 30499), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 7 June 1941 during a new purge of the Red Army, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941.)
Loktionov A.D. (30681), retirement date - 1941 (was discharged from the RKKA in 1940, was arrested 19 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Smushkevich Y.V. (30700), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Rychagov P.V. (30697), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 24 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Proskurov I.I. (30407), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 27 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Oborin S.I. (30353), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 16 October 1941)
Chernyh S.A. (30657), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 16 October 1941)

and ministers:
Ivan I. Proskurov (id 30033), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 27 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Aleksandr D. Loktionov (30051), retirement date - 1941 (was discharged from the RKKA in 1940, was arrested 19 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Pavel V. Rychagov (30052), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 24 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Yakov V. Smushkevich (30053), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Chernyh S.A. (30066), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 16 October 1941)

purge against them must occur in any case (start war against Germany or no)

______________________________________________________________________________


but also in 1941 were executed some leaders, these unsuccessfully led troops in war against Germany
they were relieved of their command, arrested and accused of criminal incompetence

Oborin S.I. (30353), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 16 October 1941)
Pavlov D.G. (30374), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 4 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Klimovskih V.E. (30217), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Korobkov A.A. (30238), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Kachanov K.M. (30191), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 12 September 1941, was executed on 29 September 1941)
Goncharov V.S. (30131), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 11 September 1941)
Karmanov S.P. (30198), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 30 September 1941)

I think: no war - no purge against them

And I again remade soviet leaders file
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eahbsdc71ksro7y/soviet.csv

photos
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2aocba55ynvyavy/Photos.rar
 
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I saw a bug : when india declared independence (more or less i didnt see well) it gains 351 of belligerence and almost every country of the world start to declare war to india.Also i dont know why but some nations acquires a lot of belligerence and a lot of causal wars happens...why?


If this fact is not a bug...how can i remove it?
 
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Problem with events chain for USA in 45' scenario:

In 1945 starts Chinese Civil War between Communists and Nationalist. USA have a event:

CEQmidhUfOI.jpg


I choose "Propose full alliance", next event -

4r_TmeEtvcQ.jpg


I choose "Ignore ultimatum" and nothing happens...

USSR doesn't have event for this case
and I don't have alliance with China, too

Good that you tested these events. I'll add the proper event where it is needed.

In general, how's progress for 2.2. coming along?

Slowly... The most mundane thing is done (generic ministers/leaders for every nation) but there's a lot of other things to code in. Alphabetically, I'm starting with Afghanistan and unlike the current timeline, this country actually gets a lot more interesting as the time goes.

With zones i mean nations..it is normal yes?

Yes, normal.

Bizon,

I have an idea for purge event for USSR Army in 1941

some of them were arrested due to problems in Soviet aviation (plane crashes, poor quality engines, weak air defense)
these were:

leaders:
Stern G.M. (id 30499), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 7 June 1941 during a new purge of the Red Army, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941.)
Loktionov A.D. (30681), retirement date - 1941 (was discharged from the RKKA in 1940, was arrested 19 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Smushkevich Y.V. (30700), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Rychagov P.V. (30697), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 24 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Proskurov I.I. (30407), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 27 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Oborin S.I. (30353), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 16 October 1941)
Chernyh S.A. (30657), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 16 October 1941)

and ministers:
Ivan I. Proskurov (id 30033), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 27 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Aleksandr D. Loktionov (30051), retirement date - 1941 (was discharged from the RKKA in 1940, was arrested 19 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Pavel V. Rychagov (30052), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 24 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Yakov V. Smushkevich (30053), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 June 1941, was executed by shooting on 28 October 1941)
Chernyh S.A. (30066), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 16 October 1941)

purge against them must occur in any case (start war against Germany or no)

______________________________________________________________________________


but also in 1941 were executed some leaders, these unsuccessfully led troops in war against Germany
they were relieved of their command, arrested and accused of criminal incompetence

Oborin S.I. (30353), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 16 October 1941)
Pavlov D.G. (30374), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 4 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Klimovskih V.E. (30217), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Korobkov A.A. (30238), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 8 July 1941, was executed on 22 July 1941)
Kachanov K.M. (30191), retirement date - 1942 (was arrested 12 September 1941, was executed on 29 September 1941)
Goncharov V.S. (30131), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 11 September 1941)
Karmanov S.P. (30198), retirement date - 1942 (was executed on 30 September 1941)

I think: no war - no purge against them

And I again remade soviet leaders file
http://www.mediafire.com/download/eahbsdc71ksro7y/soviet.csv

photos
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2aocba55ynvyavy/Photos.rar

Great! I'll put it into the mod!

I saw a bug : when india declared independence (more or less i didnt see well) it gains 351 of belligerence and almost every country of the world start to declare war to india.Also i dont know why but some nations acquires a lot of belligerence and a lot of causal wars happens...why?


If this fact is not a bug...how can i remove it?

I remember one report about this issue and looking quickly, I found no obvious reason why it happens so (couldn't reproduce it either). And I'm pretty sure it was this magic 351 figure. I'll take a look once more at this but I don't think it's anything event-related which I could easily correct.
 

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Aha i understood..but its really annoying that casual wars happens...randomly a country (india, finland,guyana) gets a lot of belligerence and all started to declare war to him..strange.
 

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Hi! I am having an small graphical problem with one tech icon, the "User tech component 3" appears in blank as shown in the screenshot pasted below. How can i correct this? Thanks!

Also, I have just realized I can investigate at the same time post WW2 Mechanized Wave and People´s War Doctrines, is that normal? I see that both modify GDE, but which one will be the one to stand?

hrq1.png
 

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Hi! I am having an small graphical problem with one tech icon, the "User tech component 3" appears in blank as shown in the screenshot pasted below. How can i correct this? Thanks!

Also, I have just realized I can investigate at the same time post WW2 Mechanized Wave and People´s War Doctrines, is that normal? I see that both modify GDE, but which one will be the one to stand?

hrq1.png

hello!
I have the same problem nacho!
I dont know how to fix it
 

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Heyy just to say that ive finally figured out how to get the Mod to work. (don't ask me how because i don't know how i did it lol?)

Anyways, ive played through to 60' as the UK and have found a couple of issues. the first was the event for Burma, the event in which i choose to stay or withdraw. I chose withdraw but the even keeps firing like every 3 years and Burma remains my puppet. The second is when the Suez Crisis kicks off, i think i won, because the Egyptian king was restored (but as far as i'm aware i should of got Suez back, but i didn't). The third is i wanted too see what happens when the Hungarian revolution goes the other way. So i started from 56' starting point and played as the USSR, and when the event fired i withdrew from Hungary. However the revolution still failed there? Surely if the USSR withdrew then it should succeed.

Also i have a suggestion for an extra event(s) for the UK & France. I don't know if its been suggested before, but i think there should be event for the Anglo-French Union after the Suez crisis (even if it succeeds). Like a multi-event thing.

France gets an event to propose Union with UK. (if UK agrees then, UK inherits France and the country becomes the Anglo-French Union, and a few flavour events over time with dissent and such) (however if the UK says no (which the AI should no most of the time) then France should then get another event to propose France Join the commonwealth, if the UK says yes then the Queen becomes Queen of France, and few extra flavour events over time. But if the UK says no again. Then France then gets another event to propse a treaty with West Germany, which is the foundation of the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_Union

I think its important to have those events in because that particular event shaped Europe to how it is today. If the UK had said yes then the EU wouldn't exist. At least not in its current form.

Hope you don't think i'm being rude in anyway, just thought you should know about a couple of issues and ideas for events.
 

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Hi! I am having an small graphical problem with one tech icon, the "User tech component 3" appears in blank as shown in the screenshot pasted below. How can i correct this? Thanks!

Also, I have just realized I can investigate at the same time post WW2 Mechanized Wave and People´s War Doctrines, is that normal? I see that both modify GDE, but which one will be the one to stand?

Here's the mention of a hotfix for those white boxes: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ld-Order-2&p=16217129&viewfull=1#post16217129

Didn't played myself through the doctrine tree for a long time, if something is suspicious though, you might ensure if it's not DH Full thing and check with the CWTT guys because now the techs are entirely of their courtesy.

When the next version will be ready? (more or less)

I give myself a month. After the last release I took a lot of time aside NWO to speed up other projects but lately I went back. The last few days, I was researching events and ministers which turns out to be a lot of work (I almost forgot how it was for NWO1). And there's a lot more countries to take care after 1963. Anyway, I think I'll shoot for the target of covering A-F countries in the next release (+ several game-wide things).

do i have to use the CWTT ? can't i have the NWO2 mod alone?

Sorry, the answer is yes. I contemplated branching out two versions initially but this would be time-consuming and I found CWTT unobtrusive enough when it comes to modifying pre-1963 tree.

Is their any idea on what the long term plans for this mod are? Where do you want to be a year from now?

Good question! :)

For some time I'll have my short-term operational goals of adding 1963-1991 material for more and more countries, fixing bugs and revisiting world balance. Realistically speaking, it can take a year surely.

If I complete this and the end result is satisfactory I can be happy to prove that a full Cold War era mod for HoI-based game is doable. A big final "You've earned an achievement!" message :)

From this point, it's hard to say where I'll go. Frankly speaking, 1963-1991 extension is probably the last big thing that I want to achieve with this mod. I find it hard to see myself fiddling with unit parameters (CWTT was a godsend doing this for me), going to the deepest depths of OOBs (unless someone sends me detailed corrections) or even going past 1991. I used to think about some alternative history arrangements for scenarios but I would have to have a lot of creativity and energy for this to be compelling. One can push a couple of historical events after the day's work, reading an interesting article or two in between, but it's harder to design and balance out a whole new world of possibilities. Post-1963 will surely have some ahistorical options baked in into events but that's probably the most I can think of.

When I finish everything I planned for the mod, maybe things will change - maybe some other ingenious mod like CWTT will appear to cooperate with NWO2; maybe someone appears to branch NWO2 out with some addon; maybe I get some new ideas. Or perhaps some new game appears that actually will be a worthy successor of HoI2 so I can port the mod there. Seeing latest Paradox releases, there's a big rebound towards quality and playability, even if there's often still too little historical authenticism to my taste. So, maybe, sometimes, HoI4?

At last I surely want to be busy with my programming project which I want to publish this year in the form of a beta and I'm very enthusiastic about it.

Heyy just to say that ive finally figured out how to get the Mod to work. (don't ask me how because i don't know how i did it lol?)

Anyways, ive played through to 60' as the UK and have found a couple of issues. the first was the event for Burma, the event in which i choose to stay or withdraw. I chose withdraw but the even keeps firing like every 3 years and Burma remains my puppet. The second is when the Suez Crisis kicks off, i think i won, because the Egyptian king was restored (but as far as i'm aware i should of got Suez back, but i didn't). The third is i wanted too see what happens when the Hungarian revolution goes the other way. So i started from 56' starting point and played as the USSR, and when the event fired i withdrew from Hungary. However the revolution still failed there? Surely if the USSR withdrew then it should succeed.

Also i have a suggestion for an extra event(s) for the UK & France. I don't know if its been suggested before, but i think there should be event for the Anglo-French Union after the Suez crisis (even if it succeeds). Like a multi-event thing.

France gets an event to propose Union with UK. (if UK agrees then, UK inherits France and the country becomes the Anglo-French Union, and a few flavour events over time with dissent and such) (however if the UK says no (which the AI should no most of the time) then France should then get another event to propose France Join the commonwealth, if the UK says yes then the Queen becomes Queen of France, and few extra flavour events over time. But if the UK says no again. Then France then gets another event to propse a treaty with West Germany, which is the foundation of the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_Union

I think its important to have those events in because that particular event shaped Europe to how it is today. If the UK had said yes then the EU wouldn't exist. At least not in its current form.

Hope you don't think i'm being rude in anyway, just thought you should know about a couple of issues and ideas for events.

No problem :) At first glance I thought you mean the 1940 union proposal (which is referred to in DH Full I think and generally doesn't fall into NWO timeframe). If we're taking about 1956 crisis, I remember thinking about some extra cooperation between France and the UK. Although, I think that the union is tough to implement because the countries are already linked in a military alliance and I find it hard to see total unification realistic. Even the original proposal seemed to talk of something more along the lines of a loose commonwealth. Speaking of this, I'd rather dust off events for European integration from NWO1 which I liked and which originally allowed the creation of the European superstate (with marginal chance of succeeding). I think that they were abandoned upon conversion because AoD had a tag for EU and DH didn't.

As for more events for 1956 Suez Crisis I'll think about it. About Burma... well, until not long ago, there wasn't even an option not to release the colony so I treated the current situation as a huge improvement ;) Of course I'll bring Burma in line with other countries so a player won't be bothered with endless release events!