What does this mean, and why does my country keep starting new wars? Is it because I'm playing as Khazak? Is that a bad choice for learning to play the game?
New Victims For Hordes?
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Hordes (Steppe Nomads/Khanate government form) are always at war with all non-horde neighbors they do not have a truce with or that are not paying them tribute. If you're learning to play, well, playing a horde is a good way to learn war tactics, but, you'll probably get whooped eventually because hordes are inherently unstable and tech very poorly, so it will lead to frustration.
Frustration is definitely what I'm looking at. I thought that Khazak would be a nice, quiet Central Asian place to build some things and attack some smaller neighbors. I didn't realize that my scouts would keep 'discovering' Russia, Manchu, and Persia. I think it's time to start somewhere else....
Play Yaroslavl! You won't be declaring war on anyone! (Don't do this, it is a bad idea.)
I won't. I think I would just rage quit if I followed another bad idea. Since I'm going to be doing a new start, is the base game strong enough on its own, or are there some must-have mods that should be added?
What do you mean by strong enough? Well if you want to learn the game while playing peacefully, you could play from later start date with some more established empire.
The game is certainly intricate enough to hold your attention, and I don't think many mods are focussed on simplifying things...
Pick a nice large western country like Castille, France or England. If you pick England, sell your French provinces to France or Burgundy, to make sure you don't get wrapped up in wars with France early on, as this can surprise someone unused to Eu3. Castille is a very solid pick, which gives you a solid economy, some good missions and also teaches you colonial mechanics. You don't have to get wrapped up in too many European wars, and most of the time you'll be fighting overseas against inferior armies, which gives a much nicer difficulty curve.
Pick a nice large western country like Castille, France or England. If you pick England, sell your French provinces to France or Burgundy, to make sure you don't get wrapped up in wars with France early on, as this can surprise someone unused to Eu3. Castille is a very solid pick, which gives you a solid economy, some good missions and also teaches you colonial mechanics. You don't have to get wrapped up in too many European wars, and most of the time you'll be fighting overseas against inferior armies, which gives a much nicer difficulty curve.
By 'strong enough' I meant the events and stuff like that, i.e. whether the game was bland without adding some mods.
I actually started a game recently as Kazakh as I thought it'd be a nice, challenging game (my previous runs had been with Pommerania and Mutapa). It's most certainly not an ideal nation for trying to learn the game. Heck, none of the Hordes are: they work very differently than other nations, and all will eventually require Westernization in order to avoid a game over screen (by the 1500s, my Kazakh was in danger of getting overrun by Austria if we didn't escape tribalism and Westernize... which, thankfully, we did).
A stronger European nation is honestly your best bet to learn things. Castille and England are the popular "starter" nations, as both start off as the big fish in their respective ponds and in prime position to carve your own destiny. If you want to be in the HRE, Austria and Bohemia are also both solid choices. Heck, might as well at Sweden to that list.
But just starting out, you should stay in Western Europe... the only non-Western tech nations that might enter the argument are the bigger Russian states, as you can still get a decent ways into the game with Eastern tech. But Westernizing is a pain in most cases, and is one of the most frustrating processes in the game. Sadly, it's virtually absolutely necessary in order to succeed as a non-European nation. There's plenty of guides on it/using non-Western nations, which are helpful whenever you're ready to try it out. Not counting Eastern Europe (cause that's barely westernizing), I'd say the best place for your first non-European game would be someplace in India or Yemen/Oman. It'll be a while before Europeans can reach you, and by the time they can you'll be ready to start the westernization process.
Oh, and I'd say EUIII is most certainly "strong enough" without mods. Heck, the only PDox title I've played where I felt mods were necessary was Rome. Mods with EUIII are purely up to the individual player's preferences, I'd say.
A stronger European nation is honestly your best bet to learn things. Castille and England are the popular "starter" nations, as both start off as the big fish in their respective ponds and in prime position to carve your own destiny. If you want to be in the HRE, Austria and Bohemia are also both solid choices. Heck, might as well at Sweden to that list.
But just starting out, you should stay in Western Europe... the only non-Western tech nations that might enter the argument are the bigger Russian states, as you can still get a decent ways into the game with Eastern tech. But Westernizing is a pain in most cases, and is one of the most frustrating processes in the game. Sadly, it's virtually absolutely necessary in order to succeed as a non-European nation. There's plenty of guides on it/using non-Western nations, which are helpful whenever you're ready to try it out. Not counting Eastern Europe (cause that's barely westernizing), I'd say the best place for your first non-European game would be someplace in India or Yemen/Oman. It'll be a while before Europeans can reach you, and by the time they can you'll be ready to start the westernization process.
Oh, and I'd say EUIII is most certainly "strong enough" without mods. Heck, the only PDox title I've played where I felt mods were necessary was Rome. Mods with EUIII are purely up to the individual player's preferences, I'd say.
Well, if you quit playing the Khazak, try playing Vijayanagar (or something), if you are interested in a non-European game, or play Naples, as forming Italy is one of the most rewarding things in this game (no need to ever spend a penny at Gov tech again). Or go Lithuania and be Russia`s doppelganger.
there are some really good mods for divine wind like d&t and meiou they certainly add a lot
Whatever happens don't do what I did and make your "Learn how to play the game nation" be a Native American Minor. Admittedly the about 200 years of peace if you play the inland ones like the Huron is nice for learning how to build things but I only managed to blunder my way to 1821 alive through sheer luck.
Play as Castille or England from 1399, on very easy difficulty. Great first learning games. France, Burgundy, or Austria are good second games.