New US Shields and Flags, finally with pictures!

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Finally, here are pictures of the US flags and shields I've done up. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the "Betsy Ross" design has never been shown to have actually been used when the USA had only 13 states and could have very well been invented in 1876. Furthermore, the colors used in EU/EU2 are just not right for the US flag.

First flag: Flown by the 3rd Maryland Regiment at the Battle of the Cowpens. It is the closest verifiable design to the "Betsy Ross" and may very well have inspired it:

The next two are variations on the same theme. While many patterns were used for the stars, the most common seems to have been a 3/2/3/2/3 pattern. At the time the number of red vs. white stripes was not established, so some flags had seven red stripes and some had seven white stripes, thus, I made both versions:

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I have all three as 24-bit images and am now going to try Mad James's palette to see if I can get them to work as 8-bit images.

 

[Mad King James]

I don't think the displacement worked on those flags....

 

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As mentioned in other thread, I've seen evidence that the 13-star-circle flag was used in the Continental period. (My source was somewhat limited; it mentioned it being designed by the Congress for use by the Navy, to avoid identification as pirates, who often flew no flag at all; it never mentioned if it was used on land or not.)

I've also personally seen a 4/5/4 staggered rows flag with seven reds and oversized stars.

None of this proves or disproves anything you said (other than that the circle flag wasn't used); my source also specifically mentioned that it was developed by the COntinental Congress's oversight committee for the Navy, not by Mrs. Ross as legend has it.

Also, the stars and stripes weren't standardized until far later... I don't remember if the stripes were standard earlier than the stars (I think they were) but the stars were not standardized until 1912.

 

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Early US Flags

I'm personally not satisfied with either the original design in EU or the one on this thread. The flag looks good, but the shield is unacceptable for me. it needs to be placed horizontally rather than vertically. or an attempt should be made at the using the coat of arms/ great seal. i don't mean this as a flame b/c i know what it takes to make graphics. i've only done two and haven't done any flags at all so don't take it bad.

as to the accuracy, check out the link below on fotw for early flag designs.

FOTW

 

[Leprechaun]

Hmmm

Try this...

Don't know if anyone has a 24-bit version of this...

 

[Birger]

or something like this

 

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Originally posted by Mad King James
I don't think the displacement worked on those flags....

I did not notice that. Thank you. When I applied the actions in the photoshop template, I got the error "Could not complete the Displace command because the file is empty." but didn't know what that meant. Given my 'stigmatism, I couldn't really be sure if the flag had worked or not, so I just hoped.

A little fiddling reveals that the "desktop" for Windows XP is not in the same place as the "desktop" for Windows 9x. So I plopped down a new folder as C:\windows\Desktop and the error seems to have been ended.

Moral: The "desktop" is not always the "desktop".

 

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Re: Early US Flags

Originally posted by caesarscott
I'm personally not satisfied with either the original design in EU or the one on this thread. The flag looks good, but the shield is unacceptable for me. it needs to be placed horizontally rather than vertically. or an attempt should be made at the using the coat of arms/ great seal. i don't mean this as a flame b/c i know what it takes to make graphics. i've only done two and haven't done any flags at all so don't take it bad.

Horizontal stripes is simply wrong for representing the US colors as a coat of arms. It is not how it is done in the USA. It has always or almost always been the tradition in the USA to represent the colors with vertical stripes if they are represented in a coat of arms. The idea is that one is seeing the flag being hanged vertically. Indeed, you completely contradict yourself when you say you want to see the US coat of arms and then say that you want to see the stripes going horizontal.

as to the accuracy, check out the link below on fotw for early flag designs.

FOTW [/B]

Already been there.