New to the Grand Strategy genre

[nitroholic]

I'd recommend reading this guide if your having a hard time grasping the game mechanics

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?599744-CK-II-Userguide-by-Meneth-and-Novapaddy

 

[Anthropoid]

That guide is fantastic.

However, how do I get the "Overthrow Ruler CB?" Is that the same as "Depose Liege?" The "if win" text for "Depose Liege" says "Count Arnaud of Auxerre can attempt to depose Duke Roger I of Burgundy and install Count Arnaud of Auxerre's favorite heir."

I'm Count of Auxerre, Never, Dijon and Charolais. My liege is Duke of Burgundy. I want to Overthrow him but I'm not seeing that as an option in my Declare War panel.

Is that "install favorite heir" meant to mean I can install myself?

 

[Hootieleece]

Do you have a strong Claim yourself?If so you should be able to claim Burgundy for yourself.Otherwise it is the eligible claimant (character) you like best.(Have highest relation with)

 

[Anthropoid]

How does one go about getting a "strong claim" on a Duchy? Marry into their inheritance?

Rising from Count to Duke continues to elude me and I rant about the details here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ck-Answers&p=14690012&viewfull=1#post14690012

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

I use my Chancellor, and wait until he pops a duchy claim, may take a while and cost a lot, but it works.

 

[Anthropoid]

Thanks Ahaz

Well that is good to know that it will eventually pop the Duchy claim. I suppose it generally first gets the County Claim and then once that is done you have to leave him there longer and eventually he'll get the Duchy as well?

Do you recall how low of skill of Chancellor you've had this work with?

 

[shypixel]

Your chancellor must have a diplomacy of at least 15 to fabricate a claim on a duchy. If it is lower than that, you can wait forever, but you won't get it.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

It is all random, a chancellor of 22 + is very helpful. And it can happen in months or years, no way to predict it. What I do do is if takes longer then 2 years is pull him out, wait 2-3 months and put him back. Just upgrade while waiting, be warned for a small duchie of 2 counties it still cost like 400 + gold I have not tried it on a bigger duchy, I imagine it can cost 600+ gold. So make sure you keep that reserve, unless you do not mind the - funds status, and I do not mind it at all and will go in debt each time!!

 

[nyah]

How does one go about getting a "strong claim" on a Duchy? Marry into their inheritance?

Rising from Count to Duke continues to elude me and I rant about the details here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ck-Answers&p=14690012&viewfull=1#post14690012

There's a plot to fabricate a claim on your liege, ie the duchy is you are a vassal of a duke.

If you want to persuade people to join your plot you can bribe people (by giving them money), but you need to find out which characters are most likely to respond. Sort the list of characters by plot power, so those who have the most effect are at the top, hover your mouse over the thumbs down symbol, and it will give reasons for them not joining. The green + symbols are points in your favour, the red - symbols points against. Basically, what you need to do is count up the number of green + and weigh them against the red -. If they are close then giving a gift may give you enough extra green + to swing them over to joining you.

Alternatively, you can try to reduce their opinion of their liege (assuming that is who you are plotting against). You can do this by using your chancellor to sow dissent in the liege's capital county. This will reduce the opinion that people in his court have of him.

I'd suggest doing both.


Of course, the easiest and cheapest way is to marry into it. Marry the daughter of the duke. Your heir will get a weak claim, but it's better than nothing, and there are often opportunities to press them. It can just take a little longer.

 

[nyah]

small duchie of 2 counties it still cost like 400 + gold I have not tried it on a bigger duchy, I imagine it can cost 600+ gold. So make sure you keep that reserve, unless you do not mind the - funds status, and I do not mind it at all and will go in debt each time!!

Isn't the cost something to do with the relative size of your demense (or realm?) against that of your target? I've seen costs of 1000s for fabricating county claims when I've been a large kingdom.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Isn't the cost something to do with the relative size of your demense (or realm?) against that of your target? I've seen costs of 1000s for fabricating county claims when I've been a large kingdom.

Could be, I am still pretty new myself, and have only done this on a few duchies, and I never keep more then 7 in my demense. It is always mid 1200's before I will even try. I also do not form huge ammounts of Vassals, I prefer small close knit Kingdoms. Though I am planing my next Iberia campain this weekend, so will test it out.

 

[Anthropoid]

Thanks guys. I think I'm gonna take these various lessons about the very satisfyingly intricate (and maddeningly complex!! ) dynamics of the game and start over. I can see that, if you plan to try to marry into a Duchy from very early on, it might just be possible to do it much earlier than 100 years.

Not to mention all the time I wasted declaring wars of independence, etc.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Thanks guys. I think I'm gonna take these various lessons about the very satisfyingly intricate (and maddeningly complex!! ) dynamics of the game and start over. I can see that, if you plan to try to marry into a Duchy from very early on, it might just be possible to do it much earlier than 100 years.

Not to mention all the time I wasted declaring wars of independence, etc.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Ha crazy things do happen, I married my grand daughter to the 4th son of the king of Bohiema, not even thinking of getting it ever!! Well a round of typhoid, my grand daughter is ruler, her heir is the heir to Bohiema . And I do not even want it!!