Started new game with charlemagne DLC as one of the chieftans in Ireland. The year i believe is around 770AD. The issue/question i have is about government type. RIght now i can't really change government types and i believe it's only that gavel one that's available. Problem is if i conquer any additional counties, when i die, they'll get passed to my offspring so i'm back to square one owning only 1 county after my death... How do i deal with this? DO i have to start the game in a later time period like 1066AD?
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No I don't believe you have to start later to get primogeniture succession (which is basic father to first born son succession.) Hover over the ? in your laws tab next to primogeniture and it'll tell you which criteria you have already filled and which criteria you still need to fill.
I only have 3 types available:
1. Agnostic Gavelkind (which is the one i'm using right now)
2. Elective Gavelkind
3. Tanistry
1. Agnostic Gavelkind (which is the one i'm using right now)
2. Elective Gavelkind
3. Tanistry
For the starter location, other people will be better than me. It may be hard to begin as tribal... I dunno
One thing you can do when beginning with Gavelkind succession law is conquer the majority of the counties of a de jure duchy and create the duchy title. This way, you will have to give some counties to your sons upon succession but they will remain vassals (and can be called to war). Care if you got 2 duchy titles! upon succession, you will have to give one of them to a son and this son will become independent (he has an equivalent title as you heir). Better not create the second duchy title if you are close to die.
Second, as Ireland in Charlemagne bookmark, your government type is tribal. You'll have to focus toward reforming as feudal (increasing tribal organization law to the max, improving your tribal holding, I don't recall which building... I don't play feudal ATM). When this mill be done, you'll be able to change your succession law.
edit: for the Tanistry succession law (only open for Ireland and Scotland I believe... maybe Wales too...), I often heard that it was a very good succession law but I don't know how it works and how to get it.
One thing you can do when beginning with Gavelkind succession law is conquer the majority of the counties of a de jure duchy and create the duchy title. This way, you will have to give some counties to your sons upon succession but they will remain vassals (and can be called to war). Care if you got 2 duchy titles! upon succession, you will have to give one of them to a son and this son will become independent (he has an equivalent title as you heir). Better not create the second duchy title if you are close to die.
Second, as Ireland in Charlemagne bookmark, your government type is tribal. You'll have to focus toward reforming as feudal (increasing tribal organization law to the max, improving your tribal holding, I don't recall which building... I don't play feudal ATM). When this mill be done, you'll be able to change your succession law.
edit: for the Tanistry succession law (only open for Ireland and Scotland I believe... maybe Wales too...), I often heard that it was a very good succession law but I don't know how it works and how to get it.
If you want to change the succession law to something like Primogeniture, you have to reform your government to feudalism. To do so, you must have the law "Absolute Tribal Authority" set, and a Stone Hill Fort built in your capital, or have, I think, a feudal capital (so if you conquer land from the Welsh you might reform quite soon).
If you want, or have to, stay tribal, you can, I think, give bishopric to your sons so they are disqualified from the succession. It's far easier to do if you have the Free Investiture law, but for that I think you have to form the Kingdom of Ireland.
Tanistry is like Elective monarchy, but only member of your dinasty can be elected
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Tanistry is considered the better succession law on the entire game, but is restriced only to celtic cultures so make sure to educate your heir with a warden of celtic culture. Your older son will have a -40 opinion malus toward you but this is all but a problem, you can just ignore it.Your vassal will have an opinion bonus of +5 versus you and the dynasty member will have an opinion bonus of +10 toward you.
Agnostic?
I won't say tannistry is better than elective. In elective the vassals will choose the same heir than you if you have good relations with them while in tanistry your vassals will vote for a member of your family but almost never one of your sons. They will prefer voting for uncles or other relatives. The good thing is that your heir will keep all your demesne but you will most of the time not be able to choose your him unless you have very few vassals.
I personnally dislike tanistry because you have very few control on the choice of your heir. If you want to keep all your demesne with gavelkind you can just take concubines and put them aside when you have a heir and marry a woman who has pas child bearing age just for the stats. You can also pick seduction focus and seduce women with good congenital traits then acknowledge the good bastards to have them on your dynasty and after they have finished their education, legitimize only the best bastard.
I personnally dislike tanistry because you have very few control on the choice of your heir. If you want to keep all your demesne with gavelkind you can just take concubines and put them aside when you have a heir and marry a woman who has pas child bearing age just for the stats. You can also pick seduction focus and seduce women with good congenital traits then acknowledge the good bastards to have them on your dynasty and after they have finished their education, legitimize only the best bastard.
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Yeah, elective succession is the most powerful law in the game. Another great strategy with it is to marry all your sons to good potential heirs/claimants, and end up electing the one whose son will end up with the best inheritance. Marry the heirs with better stats to the more likely/bigger gains so that if you hit big, you really hit big.
Anyway, returning to the OP: I suggest you not start as a tribal ruler if you're new. Ireland is often considered tutorial island-- in 1066. Before then, you have to worry about Norsemen, reforming your government, etc. It's just not worth it until you have a better handle on the game.