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[ForzaA]

I found pretty balanced 3 on 1. As i told it was with chances for both sides. Your intension was to screw the balance on your side by easy efforts.

..based on the numbers (from the 1625)
175 total manpower for our total alliance, 171 for you..
On the leader front, we have a little different picture though..
our best leader (over the three of us combined) is a 4/4/3/1 (DP adjusted)
yours a 5/6/6 (DP adjusted)

So I'd say that is at least slightly in France's favour...

I wonder what the "easy effort" is, though?

For some misterous reasons i suppose the first thing as normal, while the second one is unnormal. Am i so mad ?

oh, I dunno, "retaining the status quo" is practically the definition of normal.
...and having the POSSIBILITY of calling in other countries to avoid losing land comes closer to "retaining the status quo" than hoping a far better general doesn't kick your troops around too much.

 

[ForzaA]

As i mentioned troops losses for your alliance is twice more, while my MP pool was never full. MP is ability to have the troops, while losses in long period show real situation of existed troops.
Besides you occupied my provinces from time to time limitting MP.
In conclusions stats shows that your ability to have troops were more than twice more than France.

my MP pool was ALWAYS EMPTY rather than "never full"

.....Since when does "getting more troops killed" prove that your ability to HAVE troops was higher?
By that reasoning, Canada, France and India COMBINED, were clearly the weaker party compared to Yugoslavia In World War II

Instead of fighting 3 on 1, take two more countries to get easy victory.

Minor "nitpick": that situation would require FRANCE to start the war.

Forza, 5 years of fighting France has the POSSIBILITY to lose lands, not your alliance.

Let me put it like this.... Last war, our side had Spinola, France had no spectacular leaders..
Yet the war ended with a WP (closer to something for FRA than for the alliance, really)...
Now France has Turenne, and we no longer have Spinola...

I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect, then, that a war where Turenne IS present, and Spinola ISN'T, would end in a disastrous loss for the alliance.

But indeed, your way of thinking is what i describe above - why to fight in near equal position, if the solution can be easily called, giving secure victory for you.

The question is not "why fight near equal"... the question WAS, for me, "why fight at all".

France WANTED the war (you admitted so yourself, threatening Venice) - I didn't.
When you joined the war against the Germans, there were basically two options:
1) Not joining, and waiting for France to come after us, at the time most convenient to France.
2) joining, in hopes that the multiple fronts would prevent France from gaining anything of significance.



I'm sure you would argue that Stalin should've ordered the allies NOT to land in Normandy

 

[ForzaA]

The critical moment that you want to get 4 vs 1 and take secure victory, right ? or not ?
Forza wants.

No -- what I WANT is the POSSIBILITY/THREAT of Brandenburg being ABLE to join to keep you from starting the war in the first place.

As i mentioned several times in those situation i find 3 on 1 pretty balanced and give the chance for both sides. I wouldn`t see much difference on this war despite the fact who is aggressor, if your alliance was prepared. And your alliance was prepared.

Prepared? Not me, or not well in any case, I was neither at max MP, nor at max support (blame the last war)

the issue is NOT "balanced or inbalanced war" the issue is "war or no war".

I don't WANT war, but if there is to BE a war, I prefer one that has a better chance of me not losing.

So who is the moron ? Probably France, who helped Poland & Austria, not trying to get NAP with you :rofl: At such cases i usually bet on people honour and usually lose

..And I'd be more than happy (likewise my allies, I assume) to NOT fight that war, if we had any reason to expect you'd NOT attack us afterwards.

 

[ForzaA]

1. Then you lacked the devices of communication to talk to me to sign NAP while i fought germans.

yes... "hey, I noticed you are now fighting the germans, how about I promise not to attack you" really gives an intelligent impression... And would in no way sound like a "please don't attack me, because I'm pathetically weak".

2. You stabhitted me for something, right ?
3. You never offered white peace&agreement until all you realized lack of progress when your offensive failed after about 3-4 years of war.

I offered peace ONE time, when I realised that you had signed peace with the germans...

But anyway i don`t see the difference between "POSSIBILITY/THREAT of Brandenburg being ABLE to join" and making it. According the laws the actions to make the crime is threated same way as crime.

ehh... no?
Atleast, not in the Netherlands...


It's certainly not forbidden to HAVE a dog that CAN bite a burglar.

Besides i`m sure that if Brandenburg didn`t have his prime task, everyone would come here and everyone would be with their demands - you, Venice, Brandenburg, perhaps even Portugal, if they permanently dow France

Both intension to make a secure war and secure war itself don`t smell for me any good.

The idea was DETERRENCE.

When you dowed me, all three countries made offensive. If you were not at max support, well... i don`t know.
I warned Venice beforehand and tell him he has enough time to prepare.

We did attack then and there because we HAD to.. Not because we planned an offensive war years beforehand.
Preparing for a defensive war somewhere in the future and having to to war right then and there is a significant difference.

To be secure

yeah, I buy a guard dog and a burglar alarm in hopes that the burglar can just ignore it....

As i mentioned you didn`t use any given diplomatic ability when conflict in Germany involved France. Instead you hoped for Brandenburg.

Again, what would I negotiate FOR? that you might sign a white peace with Brandenburg? so that you have a truce with them? Brilliant idea... (and the first comment, again)

 

[ForzaA]

It is. We discussed that with FAL once
If you make actions to kill someone, but failed or something stopped you, but your actions are proved, your guilty is same as you do the crime.
The difference can be in punishment.

You have to prove intent, though...
I'm not going to be convicted for "Murdering Tonio" if I buy a train ticket to Moscow and a pocket knife.

Further, there are several articles in Dutch law that specifically say;
"poging tot dit misdrijf is niet strafbaar"
("the attempt of this crime is not punishable by law")

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And for those where it is not specifically stated: (re: the latter half of your reply)

"Het maximum van de hoofdstraffen op het misdrijf gesteld wordt bij poging met een derde verminderd."
("punishments are lessened by a third for mere attempts")

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...and again, I'm NOT going to be punished for having the ABILITY to murder people.

Did you have interest with Brandenburg ? I couldn`t hear you if you intended to bury Austria, but didn`t you attack because France was going to attack Venice ?

Ok, so maybe we get a NAP along the lines of "yeah sure, if you don't attack me now, I won't attack you either" ....
I've had a little too many of these situations be exploited with a "yeah but you abused my position when I was at war, and concentrating on that war, so the NAP is void"

 

[ForzaA]

France would like to know if the gangbangers accept the peace proposal of Liguria to France and an Asian CoT (has to be specified by England yet) to England, or that we need to fight on?

I'm not objecting, don't know about my allies though...

Anyway, there are two steps of justice, which are important for us.
First, you need to detect crime and put it to court.
You need object of crime, subject of crime and action of crime. The proved intension to make crime is treated as action of crime to complete the first step.

...And you already fail on "detect crime"

At least once with me ?
Or you heard someone had such situation with me ?

At least once with someone whom I never heard of doing that before

sneaksy hobbitsesss!

 

[ForzaA]

Forza, i`m not going to repeat circle, while you declared by yourself you wanted Brandenburg in France i suppose the discussion is over and we discussed all aspects, where we had slightly different opinion

Since I never said so, and you maintain I did... yeah, we're probably not going anywhere


Good thing we'll have a reasonable ruler in France next session

Just out of interest why are you arguing about how the Dutch legal system works?

hell if I know!

 

[ForzaA]

but hmm i propose to the Eng-Fra to fight on with me having both Maarten Tromp and the De Ruyter this takes away the naval advantage the por-spa-ven have so? we will discuss this further on ICQ I hope

heh...I think you missed a couple things.

1) England has naval superiority
2) England has the better leaders.
3) England is evil and should be attacked.


(take particular note of #3)

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Btw, is the decision on next weekend NOT being a session final or "likely" ?

 

[ForzaA]

Now i have akward discussion with Sweden about who "deserves" the biggest part and BB laughing silently. Nice 'revenge' from fred im certain but I would hope on a reinstated Poland (hear there, a enemy of poland arguing for that!) because a ubberubber Sweden with BB and OE as only neighbours is not my picture of the 1640s.

well.... then it'll be your job to defend AI Poland... maybe find someone who's willing to help

I have now moved flat and am on the internet

Hopefuly it will be as good as my last ISP

uhoh... and where would we put you?

 

[ForzaA]

who's playing what, when, why and how?

...on second thought, don't go into too much detail...

AAR reward (up in a few minutes, I swear ) +200 ducats, on time cookie -1 inflation

 

[ForzaA]

I say we kick FAL from the game since he's been irresponsive on ICQ

 

[ForzaA]

Aladar and ForzaA got a 5% inflation penalty edited in for asking the GM tiresome questions at ICQ.

It's not my fault you put someone in England who says he WON'T be there....

In the end I managed to pry the name from Fredrik...


...and I think giving BAV cores on Hungary is a bit "overkill" ...but I didn't say that, because I don't want any MORE inflation

 

[ForzaA]

I'll most likely need a sun next session, since a lot of good bands are performing that sunday at Roskilde, so i'll probably not be home till late or even monday.

how long is that festival, anyway? :wacko:

 

[ForzaA]

I think Aladar better worry. You migt try and go for revenge

Aladar? Where does Aladar come into the equation? :wacko:

Surely you know who are your allies, and who are your friends? And most importantly, in which countries they are?

 

[ForzaA]

cookie reminder
200 ducats and 1% deflation please

 

[ForzaA]

I converted Bavaria to CRC not for damn AI would do it back
Daniel, converting CRC and back doesn`t produce stabhits.

nevertheless, a nation shouldn't be CRC after the Edict of Tolerance.

 

[ForzaA]

Anyone else crash after 10 months of playing the save? I've tested it 3 times now and i crash everytime.

You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

there is (presumably) some odd connection near russia... if russia is AIed, it will send ships to/through that connection and crash the game..

 

[ForzaA]

AAR-reward : 400 ducats
On time Cookie : - 1 % Inflation
pelase.

...someone's trying to sneak in some extra cash for himself or what?

 

[ForzaA]

Why? I was ontime and I´ve written an AAR?
Or is it 200 ducats?
Perhaps I have forgotten... o

yeah, it's 200

and consider this the smiley I should've added to the that post:

 

[ForzaA]

Player schedule for extended session:

Sunday 9th: Who can play from 12 - 17 cet?

LIKELY no

Sunday 16th: Who can play an extended session from say 15 - 22 cet?

Sorry, I really need to be fed at regular times.

Sunday 23th: Who can play an extended session from day 15 - 22 cet?

see above+ it's my birthday = no

16th and 23th we could have a 20 mins break to get pizzas around 18-18.30.

Thanks, I needed that... Now I can happily pretend I'm pretty normal
Dinner, while not *entirely* sacred, is something I don't plan to sacrifice in the name of a computer game.




....I'm such a spoilsport :rofl:

EDIT: I'd prefer not to move into the daytime.. other evenings (same times) would have my preference