And could I just add once more that China is not, in fact, very powerful? Flintlock Rifles, remember? Russia spanked me under an AI, any human GP can certainly kick my ass. I will be peaceful and keep my head down for at least two decades to come.
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If this isn't historic, and China has the right to be as powerful as it wants, then what's wrong with me building as many native divisions as I want?
I own the POPs don't I? I pay for their training and equipment don't I?
Why can't I build them?
Oh yeah, because it will overpower me. So the thinking behind that rule is to make nations with colonies weaker, which is in stark contrast to you're supposed right for every nation to be as strong as they want.
As for using my "god-like empire" - THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO!!.
I own the POPs don't I? I pay for their training and equipment don't I?
Why can't I build them?
Oh yeah, because it will overpower me. So the thinking behind that rule is to make nations with colonies weaker, which is in stark contrast to you're supposed right for every nation to be as strong as they want.
As for using my "god-like empire" - THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO!!.
Well this was the rule we all agreed upon. The point is that China will be making regs now, so their upkeep cost is normal. The prob with natives is that they are totally dirt cheap and arnt THAT much worse. To have 500 native divs and 50 regulars is just gamey and stupid. It takes advantage of game mechanics.
So it gives an advantage to only 1 nation, UK, for the whole game. There are no other colonies populated like India. Oh yeah, and since you won't give up a single Indian prov even when your army is crushed and your holemand under occupation, it doesn't give anyone else much chance to level the field now does it? If you had a problem with the rule you should not have agreed to it in the beginning. You cant come back and change the rules because you feel at a disadvantage 2/3 through the game.
A lot of games have this rule, and Ive never seen anyone else make such a big deal about it.
If you can convince a majority of the players to change thats one thing, if not then we're stuck with it.
So it gives an advantage to only 1 nation, UK, for the whole game. There are no other colonies populated like India. Oh yeah, and since you won't give up a single Indian prov even when your army is crushed and your holemand under occupation, it doesn't give anyone else much chance to level the field now does it? If you had a problem with the rule you should not have agreed to it in the beginning. You cant come back and change the rules because you feel at a disadvantage 2/3 through the game.
A lot of games have this rule, and Ive never seen anyone else make such a big deal about it.
If you can convince a majority of the players to change thats one thing, if not then we're stuck with it.
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Does it suck? yeah, kinda 
I play UK on sunday w/ a bit more restictive rules and it really does limit what the UK can do. Thus as UK I need to rely upon Continental Friends. But, by myself UK can not really launch any real offensive, but defending the Empire is well w/in reach.
IMHO, I think something less than 2:1 is needed. However, too late to change rules. The limit on native divisions will allow those nations w/ HUGE national populations to go unchallanged on the field. As for UK, well, the Royal Navy is the key to life!
I play UK on sunday w/ a bit more restictive rules and it really does limit what the UK can do. Thus as UK I need to rely upon Continental Friends. But, by myself UK can not really launch any real offensive, but defending the Empire is well w/in reach.IMHO, I think something less than 2:1 is needed. However, too late to change rules. The limit on native divisions will allow those nations w/ HUGE national populations to go unchallanged on the field. As for UK, well, the Royal Navy is the key to life!
You see DK, were I able to fortify India with Indians, rather than Brits, I would never have lost my homeland.
But it's up to you whether or not you want to handicap UK or not.....
It's not just not being able to build more natives, alot of other factors added to my loss including mainly not having anyone to tech with, poor UK was offered nothing by the tech-sharing master US and Germany.
Ah well, perhaps next game the UK will not be so screwed over, and you never know maybe the 2:1 rule would work great if the UK DOES have someone to share naval techs with. Time will tell.
But it's up to you whether or not you want to handicap UK or not.....
It's not just not being able to build more natives, alot of other factors added to my loss including mainly not having anyone to tech with, poor UK was offered nothing by the tech-sharing master US and Germany.
Ah well, perhaps next game the UK will not be so screwed over, and you never know maybe the 2:1 rule would work great if the UK DOES have someone to share naval techs with. Time will tell.
Why would I share techs with a country hostile to me? I would have gladly traded with UK if I didnt think my own techs would be used against me. Being left out of the tech trading wasn't some mass conspiracy, it was a result of your actions.
Next time there should be a tech limit though, we advanced far too quickly.
Next time there should be a tech limit though, we advanced far too quickly.
Husayn said:You see DK, were I able to fortify India with Indians, rather than Brits, I would never have lost my homeland.
But it's up to you whether or not you want to handicap UK or not.....
It's not just not being able to build more natives, alot of other factors added to my loss including mainly not having anyone to tech with, poor UK was offered nothing by the tech-sharing master US and Germany.
Ah well, perhaps next game the UK will not be so screwed over, and you never know maybe the 2:1 rule would work great if the UK DOES have someone to share naval techs with. Time will tell.
Gee guess when this nobody gave you steel steamers, it wasnt very well appreciated. Not feeling to much love here from a nation that I am about to bleed for and have tried to support through most of this campaign.
CcBasing, you are the best ally anyone could ask for. But the problem is I got steel steamers very late - although thank you for risking yourself by giving it to me you saved me from annihalation and I can't thank you enough.
But we have both been sidetracked by the AI greatly and it's important to point that out.
As for DKs suggestion yes there must be a tech limit, something like 1 per year or 2 years, that will slow it down greatly.
As for now, I think we should be allowed to tech China.
But we have both been sidetracked by the AI greatly and it's important to point that out.
As for DKs suggestion yes there must be a tech limit, something like 1 per year or 2 years, that will slow it down greatly.
As for now, I think we should be allowed to tech China.
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whats with the constant requests to change rules? Everyone else is playing with what we have, you cant try to change the game now by editing the rules.
Well, maybe because they are a bit outdated, or maybe because I want to change the subject of discussion
Hey, Husayn, don't just message and log off, how about giving me time to respond?
You said I exploit by overproducing divisions even when attacking you for doing the same, eh? Well, let's see, I have like 30-40 margin of error, you have over 100! That's like saying assault is the same as murder. Not even close.
Note: Reason I have few Dixies is because after I made the divisions, the Dixie POPs started to simply convert to Yankee. There are currently more Japanese (about twice as many) as there are Dixie in the US.
You said I exploit by overproducing divisions even when attacking you for doing the same, eh? Well, let's see, I have like 30-40 margin of error, you have over 100! That's like saying assault is the same as murder. Not even close.
Note: Reason I have few Dixies is because after I made the divisions, the Dixie POPs started to simply convert to Yankee. There are currently more Japanese (about twice as many) as there are Dixie in the US.
I logged off to have breakfast Sterkarm, ICQ has a message system which will give me your message. No need to bring our discussions into the game thread...
If any of you guys can find a sub for me, that would be greatly appreciated
There are a few things that i need done that the AI can't do for me
(end the war with russia quickly, keep the AI from turning all my iron and coal POPS into craftsman)
I think i can probably trust a sub that you guys find
don't get any silly ideas about the sub turning Italy into something completely different i have strict guidelines that must be followed
There are a few things that i need done that the AI can't do for me
(end the war with russia quickly, keep the AI from turning all my iron and coal POPS into craftsman)
I think i can probably trust a sub that you guys find
don't get any silly ideas about the sub turning Italy into something completely different i have strict guidelines that must be followed
If you want to send me your plans via IM if I or anyone else can find a sub I will make sure they follow your instructions.
That is why I generally wont let random people sub unless the player okd it before, dont want them screwing things up.
That is why I generally wont let random people sub unless the player okd it before, dont want them screwing things up.
Hey Guys
Hello everyone, I finally got my computer probs worked out(crosses fingers) I'd like to get back in if possible, if there are any spots. Otherwise I'll wait for a new game to start up.
Thanks~The Jackal
Hello everyone, I finally got my computer probs worked out(crosses fingers) I'd like to get back in if possible, if there are any spots. Otherwise I'll wait for a new game to start up.
Thanks~The Jackal
DJ!!!!!!
Wow, I didn't know you had comp problems, I figured you died or something. Anyway we have been desparate for a Russia since you left. You are welcome to pick it back up. They are pretty powerful for AI, 2nd in IND I believe. They keep beating the crap out of China every couple years.
Good to see you back.
Wow, I didn't know you had comp problems, I figured you died or something. Anyway we have been desparate for a Russia since you left. You are welcome to pick it back up. They are pretty powerful for AI, 2nd in IND I believe. They keep beating the crap out of China every couple years.
Good to see you back.
oh if you take over russia again jackal, try to end the war with me, stupid AI has it out for me
welcome back
welcome back
Naveed, you might wanna mention how you've lost all your Manchurian lands to him...