If anyone's interested in a new Saturday game, I should be in the Common or HOI lobby around 18-1900CET.
Anders.
Anders.
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I finish work in 30minutes, Ill be home in 45 or so.
Ill post them up then.
Count me in as long as were actually going to finish this one
Ill post them up then.
Count me in as long as were actually going to finish this one
1) All rule discussions will take place on the Paradox forums under the appropriate thread.
2) Semi Historical game.
Diplomacy and war entry guidelines
3) No major or minor war until Danzig event unless already at war or by an event.
4) No one may Ally an minor country until the Danzig event has fired. Then anyone may Ally anyone they choose.
5) Guidelines for USA & Japan entry:
a) Base USA war entry is 1st January 1942.
b) Each seperate Axis DOW/Alliance with the following countries: Turkey, Spain,Tibet, Persia brings forward USA entry by 6 months eg and attack on Spain would allow USA to join the war 1 July 1941(may not DOW Japan unless Tibet was the country attacked). If Turkey and Persia are DOW/brought in to alliance USA may enter 1st January 1941.Italy may enter when Paris is captured and it must be after March 1940.
c) The reverse is also true: Should the UK ally with anyone of the above countries USA war entry is put back 6 months.No CW troops in the Med(SA,NZ & and Australia must remain in their home provinces until Italy is in the war).
d) However Japan may DOW UK & USA anytime from start of 1941 & USA may enter immediately should Japan DOW on the UK. Saying this any events which fire due to a successful Sealion may be honoured.The only CW puppets allowed in the Med prior to war with Italy are Oman, Yemen and Iraq.
e) Should Gibralter be captured the USA may send unlimited Destroyers and CVL ships to the UK. This in adddition to the 6 months reduction for Spanish attack. This is needed for the extra length of UK convoys.Canadian troops may be deployed to Europe or the UK only after Danzig event.
f) Also should Russia not be attacked by 1st June 1942 the USA may enter the European war at anytime.This is needed so we do not end up with a facical UK vs German/Italy for years on end because of some deal made with the Russians.
g) If Russia decides to enter the war over a Sweden or Turkey attack the 6 month reduction for USA entry does not apply.
h) USA is not required to join...but they may.
6) Guidelines for Italian war entry:
a) Italy may enter when Paris is captured and it must be after March 1940.
b) No CW troops in the Med(SA,NZ & and Australia must remain in their home provinces until Italy is in the war).
c) The only CW puppets allowed in the Med prior to war with Italy are Oman, Yemen and Iraq.
d) Canadian troops may be deployed to Europe or the UK only after Danzig event.
e) CW troops may leave their home country if an Ally brought into the Axis in their region. These troops can only be used for attacking such a minor and Axis forces within that country.
7) Guidelines for Russia & Japan war:
a) Neither Russia or Japan may DOW each other until 1st January 1943 and Russia must be at war with Germany.
b) Both Russia and Japan must garrison all common borders with 1 division of any type.
c) No country other than those agreed for USA in 5e may trade and military units with a Human player until both countries are involved in a war with a common enemy.
8) Guidelines for Russia & Germany war:
a) What ever is negotiated through NAP and Ribbontop pact.
9) Trading of military units:
a) No country other than those agreed for USA in 5e may trade and military units with a Human player until both countries are involved in a war with a common enemy.
b) A human controlled France must not trade away any military units.
10) A human controlled France must accept Vichy.
11) No one may influence a Human controlled country without their permission.
12) Spies:
a) No one may attempt to kill any ministers or leaders from a country they are not at war with.
b) No other restrictions apply.
Supply exploits
13) Basing of troops in minor Allies:
a) Apart from the exceptions below no one may base any military units in a minor ally or puppet to save supply costs.
b) If Italy puppets Eithopia they may leave the units that started there.
c) Oweing to Japans small IC base they base a troops in their puppets prewar as they are large countries and a big garrison force is not unrealistic. They may not however give territory to a puppet pre war for the purpose of basing naval units at a major port.
d) Puppeting of a country pre war is permitted but not to save supply costs. No foreign troops are permitted in such puppeted countries until 3 months before that country enters the war.
14) Surrounded capital exploit:
a) A capital may not be diliberatley surrounded for the purpose of preventing supplies and convoys from being sent from such a province.
b) If a capital is left vacant it must be occupied if troops are available for such a purpose with regards to other players military requirements. If a situation arises that the basing of a large number of foreign troops are also out of supply due to the above situation it needs to be brought to the attention of the country causing such a situation and it will be corrected at the early convenience.
Trading of resources, provinces & blueprints with other countries
15) Resources:
a) Any resource any be trading with any other country.
b) The Allies may not trade for rares in the first month of the game. They may accept any trade offered.
c) No one may trade for any resource in the first 7 days of a new game. From the 7th January 1936 you can trade with anyone you like. You may however accept any deal offered by an AI.
16) Blueprints:
a) No restrictions on trading blueprints with Allies or stealing them.
17) Provinces:
a) No one may trade provinces for the purpose of preventing Annexation of a country.
b) Provinces may be bought and sold freely from and country. A human controlled France is prohibited from giving away provinces and puppeting until January 1st 1941.
Military
18) Military access:
a) No one is permitted to allow military access to foreign troops unless they are at war with a common enemy.
b) The USA does receive military access to the UK through events but this may not be used until the USA is at war with Germany.
c) If you manage to gain Military access to a neutral minor your forces may pass though but may not launch attacks from such a country.
19) Surrounded armies:
a) May not be disbanded when totally surrounded to save manpower.
20) Naval Bugs:
a) Pause the game. Ask the host to save. Discuss with your opponent the situation. If after discussion its decided they are bugged and its going to game breaking the attacking player must break off all attacks naval and air. The affected player is to tell the other player when his forces have reached the next province then attacks may commence. A small group of naval units passing in the middle of hostile territory that gets attack and more than likely be destroyed is not sufficent. It must be a game breaking situation.
b) Preventing such bugs can be avoided by the following:
Avoid long distance rebasing through hostile waters. Wait a minimum 4 hours before retreating from a naval battle. When selecting a retreat province avoid selecting a port not in that province. When setting ORG and strength for missions set it to 80-90% rather then the default 50% your units will retreat by themselves.
21) Air units:
a) Air units that have been given a rebase command and keep retreating back to a base about to be captured must be permitted to leave such a province. To keep engaging them to prevent such a rebasing mission is not in the spirit of the game. The damage done to such units is more then enough penalty.
b) This does not apply to normal missions only to those on a base about to be captured by enemy ground units.
22) All games to be played until a group vote decides otherwise. A tie means the game will contiue. Players must abide by the vote if they wish to continue playing in the Aussie group
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2) Semi Historical game.
Diplomacy and war entry guidelines
3) No major or minor war until Danzig event unless already at war or by an event.
4) No one may Ally an minor country until the Danzig event has fired. Then anyone may Ally anyone they choose.
5) Guidelines for USA & Japan entry:
a) Base USA war entry is 1st January 1942.
b) Each seperate Axis DOW/Alliance with the following countries: Turkey, Spain,Tibet, Persia brings forward USA entry by 6 months eg and attack on Spain would allow USA to join the war 1 July 1941(may not DOW Japan unless Tibet was the country attacked). If Turkey and Persia are DOW/brought in to alliance USA may enter 1st January 1941.Italy may enter when Paris is captured and it must be after March 1940.
c) The reverse is also true: Should the UK ally with anyone of the above countries USA war entry is put back 6 months.No CW troops in the Med(SA,NZ & and Australia must remain in their home provinces until Italy is in the war).
d) However Japan may DOW UK & USA anytime from start of 1941 & USA may enter immediately should Japan DOW on the UK. Saying this any events which fire due to a successful Sealion may be honoured.The only CW puppets allowed in the Med prior to war with Italy are Oman, Yemen and Iraq.
e) Should Gibralter be captured the USA may send unlimited Destroyers and CVL ships to the UK. This in adddition to the 6 months reduction for Spanish attack. This is needed for the extra length of UK convoys.Canadian troops may be deployed to Europe or the UK only after Danzig event.
f) Also should Russia not be attacked by 1st June 1942 the USA may enter the European war at anytime.This is needed so we do not end up with a facical UK vs German/Italy for years on end because of some deal made with the Russians.
g) If Russia decides to enter the war over a Sweden or Turkey attack the 6 month reduction for USA entry does not apply.
h) USA is not required to join...but they may.
6) Guidelines for Italian war entry:
a) Italy may enter when Paris is captured and it must be after March 1940.
b) No CW troops in the Med(SA,NZ & and Australia must remain in their home provinces until Italy is in the war).
c) The only CW puppets allowed in the Med prior to war with Italy are Oman, Yemen and Iraq.
d) Canadian troops may be deployed to Europe or the UK only after Danzig event.
e) CW troops may leave their home country if an Ally brought into the Axis in their region. These troops can only be used for attacking such a minor and Axis forces within that country.
7) Guidelines for Russia & Japan war:
a) Neither Russia or Japan may DOW each other until 1st January 1943 and Russia must be at war with Germany.
b) Both Russia and Japan must garrison all common borders with 1 division of any type.
c) No country other than those agreed for USA in 5e may trade and military units with a Human player until both countries are involved in a war with a common enemy.
8) Guidelines for Russia & Germany war:
a) What ever is negotiated through NAP and Ribbontop pact.
9) Trading of military units:
a) No country other than those agreed for USA in 5e may trade and military units with a Human player until both countries are involved in a war with a common enemy.
b) A human controlled France must not trade away any military units.
10) A human controlled France must accept Vichy.
11) No one may influence a Human controlled country without their permission.
12) Spies:
a) No one may attempt to kill any ministers or leaders from a country they are not at war with.
b) No other restrictions apply.
Supply exploits
13) Basing of troops in minor Allies:
a) Apart from the exceptions below no one may base any military units in a minor ally or puppet to save supply costs.
b) If Italy puppets Eithopia they may leave the units that started there.
c) Oweing to Japans small IC base they base a troops in their puppets prewar as they are large countries and a big garrison force is not unrealistic. They may not however give territory to a puppet pre war for the purpose of basing naval units at a major port.
d) Puppeting of a country pre war is permitted but not to save supply costs. No foreign troops are permitted in such puppeted countries until 3 months before that country enters the war.
14) Surrounded capital exploit:
a) A capital may not be diliberatley surrounded for the purpose of preventing supplies and convoys from being sent from such a province.
b) If a capital is left vacant it must be occupied if troops are available for such a purpose with regards to other players military requirements. If a situation arises that the basing of a large number of foreign troops are also out of supply due to the above situation it needs to be brought to the attention of the country causing such a situation and it will be corrected at the early convenience.
Trading of resources, provinces & blueprints with other countries
15) Resources:
a) Any resource any be trading with any other country.
b) The Allies may not trade for rares in the first month of the game. They may accept any trade offered.
c) No one may trade for any resource in the first 7 days of a new game. From the 7th January 1936 you can trade with anyone you like. You may however accept any deal offered by an AI.
16) Blueprints:
a) No restrictions on trading blueprints with Allies or stealing them.
17) Provinces:
a) No one may trade provinces for the purpose of preventing Annexation of a country.
b) Provinces may be bought and sold freely from and country. A human controlled France is prohibited from giving away provinces and puppeting until January 1st 1941.
Military
18) Military access:
a) No one is permitted to allow military access to foreign troops unless they are at war with a common enemy.
b) The USA does receive military access to the UK through events but this may not be used until the USA is at war with Germany.
c) If you manage to gain Military access to a neutral minor your forces may pass though but may not launch attacks from such a country.
19) Surrounded armies:
a) May not be disbanded when totally surrounded to save manpower.
20) Naval Bugs:
a) Pause the game. Ask the host to save. Discuss with your opponent the situation. If after discussion its decided they are bugged and its going to game breaking the attacking player must break off all attacks naval and air. The affected player is to tell the other player when his forces have reached the next province then attacks may commence. A small group of naval units passing in the middle of hostile territory that gets attack and more than likely be destroyed is not sufficent. It must be a game breaking situation.
b) Preventing such bugs can be avoided by the following:
Avoid long distance rebasing through hostile waters. Wait a minimum 4 hours before retreating from a naval battle. When selecting a retreat province avoid selecting a port not in that province. When setting ORG and strength for missions set it to 80-90% rather then the default 50% your units will retreat by themselves.
21) Air units:
a) Air units that have been given a rebase command and keep retreating back to a base about to be captured must be permitted to leave such a province. To keep engaging them to prevent such a rebasing mission is not in the spirit of the game. The damage done to such units is more then enough penalty.
b) This does not apply to normal missions only to those on a base about to be captured by enemy ground units.
22) All games to be played until a group vote decides otherwise. A tie means the game will contiue. Players must abide by the vote if they wish to continue playing in the Aussie group
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I think there was another list Major wrote up but anyway to make it nice and easy. We are also looking at changing our rules a little bit now that evryone knows whats expected of them.
1> NO EXPLOITS.
2> Commonwealth forces are not to be moved from there home country until Italy Joins the War. Italy may not join the War until After Vichy has Fired.
3> No dodgey crap, play a good all round game.
4> Usually nations make deals inreturn for dow dates. IE.. Russia gives Germany a good big Trade deal for guarantee of no war till Historical. (same for japs/russia/usa).
5> Russia and USA to stay out of the War till Jan1942 unless provoked. (Ie Facist Dow on Turkey/Sweden or invasion of Latin America). Players must be held accountable for there actions.
6> Your fighting a war guys not a one way Spam. It doesnt have to be over in 1939, A fight Where Germany is supreme in 43-44 makes for a good war
7> The Key 3, UK-USSR-GERMANY MUST be regular and reliable players.
8> We dont have any rules on trading units, and main war rule is no war till danzig. Obviously Italy will take out albania when the event fires, but we usually say no to Japans and Russias Khalkin Ghol.
9> No Exploits, No looking at saves (this is a gentlemens agreement), im sure theres a few pissy things i have missed, check that big list up there.
Youll see our rules are more like guidlines then rock solid rules. The game is fluid so we cant have rules blocking up people from what they want to do. Keep it fair so all get a good game.
1> NO EXPLOITS.
2> Commonwealth forces are not to be moved from there home country until Italy Joins the War. Italy may not join the War until After Vichy has Fired.
3> No dodgey crap, play a good all round game.
4> Usually nations make deals inreturn for dow dates. IE.. Russia gives Germany a good big Trade deal for guarantee of no war till Historical. (same for japs/russia/usa).
5> Russia and USA to stay out of the War till Jan1942 unless provoked. (Ie Facist Dow on Turkey/Sweden or invasion of Latin America). Players must be held accountable for there actions.
6> Your fighting a war guys not a one way Spam. It doesnt have to be over in 1939, A fight Where Germany is supreme in 43-44 makes for a good war
7> The Key 3, UK-USSR-GERMANY MUST be regular and reliable players.
8> We dont have any rules on trading units, and main war rule is no war till danzig. Obviously Italy will take out albania when the event fires, but we usually say no to Japans and Russias Khalkin Ghol.
9> No Exploits, No looking at saves (this is a gentlemens agreement), im sure theres a few pissy things i have missed, check that big list up there.
Youll see our rules are more like guidlines then rock solid rules. The game is fluid so we cant have rules blocking up people from what they want to do. Keep it fair so all get a good game.
Session 2 went well, without more than a single crash for about 6 hours.
January 1939 - April 1940 -Ended after Vichy event.
UK -Anders
USA - Geoyankee
USSR - Wacko
Germany - Mighty G
Japan - Phadishar
Italy - Acid
Mighty managed to occupy Iceland in late 1939 and is sinking a lot of my convoys, though the RN is deploying more and more Destroyers to deal with the nuisance.
January 1939 - April 1940 -Ended after Vichy event.
UK -Anders
USA - Geoyankee
USSR - Wacko
Germany - Mighty G
Japan - Phadishar
Italy - Acid
Mighty managed to occupy Iceland in late 1939 and is sinking a lot of my convoys, though the RN is deploying more and more Destroyers to deal with the nuisance.
Jan '39 - Apr '40
With the peaceful demise of Austria and Czecholsavakia out of the road, Hitlers attention turned towards Poland and on Aug 30 1939 when some sneaky Polish troops attacked a radar facility belonging to Germany in the wee hours of the morning, German forces were given the green light to retaliate with extreme force.
British commanders were heard cursing some weeks earlier as Guderian and Manstein landed in Elbing with a vast Aray of weaponry including the elite German Marine and Mountain corps and of course the Panzer wagons. Having allied to the British earlier in the year the Polish Government with no self respect fled the Front lines in fear of complete annihalationsome days before there heinous sabotage.
German forces easily swept aside all forms of Polish resistance with the vast majority of defenders pinning themselves down in warsaw. The spirit of the Defenders was a sight to see, as it splatterd over the city walls and streets. The city being completely surrounded was given a matter of days to survive however the staunchness of there resistance forced the Fuhrer to deliver more Tactical Bombers to the Region. Before the End of September Polish forces were overun and there was little there British Allies could do as German Airborne Commandos prooved there worth in the second and final Assault on Warsaw.
Forces left the region as quickly as they had arrived. With 4 Armour Columns grouping up to subdue and capture the Cities of once Stong Yugoslavia. Hitler ordered that the Port of Pogoloda (or whatever its called lol) was to be secured immediately, with plans to install massive concrete pens for Hitlers new prized weapon the U-Boat.
With the demise of Poland and Yugoslavia over, Germany turned to quickly remove the Danish King from power, with Hitlers very own Cavalry regiment reported as being the unit in question to recieve the ultimate surrender from the Danish King.
Germany Infanteers quickly rushed ashore on Iceland, with looming fear that the Royal Navy would soon be stalking there presence. After coming ashore, FM Model relised that the RN was nowhere to be seen, Goering confirmed this later when his Bomber crews found nothing in the Northern Seas. The RAF flew a few sorties in the Region but were quickly grounded when realizing the Airfeilds on Iceland had been Upgraded and Repaired from the sabotage of Angry icelandians upon the German landings.
With no RN insight Iceland was reinforced in a futher 2 Waves, and as requested FM Model was deliverd an Armour'd regiment to ensure no Allied reprisals in the region.
Winter Broke over Belgium in March and the Wehrmacht was put to the test again. In a giant central spearhead German forces quickly arrived at the Gates of Paris but were unable to take the City until German Marines could arrive and help force the City into Surrender. German Armour broke through and taunts from the Allies were intercepted as they proclaimed to be providing support from the Red Berets. No Parachutes were found and hitler summised that the British were lying through there teeth in regard to having an elite parachute regiment. Hitlers dares the Allies to test such Units in combat, the Fallschirmjaeger who made there debut in Warsaw are waiting.
Donitz was awarded 6 Brand new Submarines after 4 were sent to the bottom South of Azores. Hitler has asked Donitz to not let such mistakes happen again, but was impressed with the loss of Allied Merchant ships and Royal Navy elements in these Engagements. Donitz has assured Hitler that soon the mighty Kriegsmarine would be ready for the task of Defending Axis Subs in the atlantic in what will become an ambitious plan to bring Britania and her subjects to there collective knees.
German troops still pushing North into Norway, Dietel and Student have assured the Fuhrer the knock blow has been dealt and they only await fresh supplies and fuel to finish the job.
German-Russian relations have never been better, and the Fuhrer wishes that Winston could have taken a note from Uncle Joes big book of kindliness. Having split Poland with the USSR, the Fuhrer placed an order for 1000 of the USSR's finest bottles of Vodka which the Commitern provided for free. (USSR offered 5K supps to assist with the timely demise of Warsaw, the Fuhrer assured Stalin that such incentives were not neccesary.
With NAP's over Sweden and Turkey with the USSR, Germany now sits preparing there next target for Invasion. Sealion? Spain? Italy? :rofl:
Time will tell.
(A bumpy start to the session but we got well under way, hope you can be there next week again Acid, 1800CET, 3AM Aussie Time...)
With the peaceful demise of Austria and Czecholsavakia out of the road, Hitlers attention turned towards Poland and on Aug 30 1939 when some sneaky Polish troops attacked a radar facility belonging to Germany in the wee hours of the morning, German forces were given the green light to retaliate with extreme force.
British commanders were heard cursing some weeks earlier as Guderian and Manstein landed in Elbing with a vast Aray of weaponry including the elite German Marine and Mountain corps and of course the Panzer wagons. Having allied to the British earlier in the year the Polish Government with no self respect fled the Front lines in fear of complete annihalationsome days before there heinous sabotage.
German forces easily swept aside all forms of Polish resistance with the vast majority of defenders pinning themselves down in warsaw. The spirit of the Defenders was a sight to see, as it splatterd over the city walls and streets. The city being completely surrounded was given a matter of days to survive however the staunchness of there resistance forced the Fuhrer to deliver more Tactical Bombers to the Region. Before the End of September Polish forces were overun and there was little there British Allies could do as German Airborne Commandos prooved there worth in the second and final Assault on Warsaw.
Forces left the region as quickly as they had arrived. With 4 Armour Columns grouping up to subdue and capture the Cities of once Stong Yugoslavia. Hitler ordered that the Port of Pogoloda (or whatever its called lol) was to be secured immediately, with plans to install massive concrete pens for Hitlers new prized weapon the U-Boat.
With the demise of Poland and Yugoslavia over, Germany turned to quickly remove the Danish King from power, with Hitlers very own Cavalry regiment reported as being the unit in question to recieve the ultimate surrender from the Danish King.
Germany Infanteers quickly rushed ashore on Iceland, with looming fear that the Royal Navy would soon be stalking there presence. After coming ashore, FM Model relised that the RN was nowhere to be seen, Goering confirmed this later when his Bomber crews found nothing in the Northern Seas. The RAF flew a few sorties in the Region but were quickly grounded when realizing the Airfeilds on Iceland had been Upgraded and Repaired from the sabotage of Angry icelandians upon the German landings.
With no RN insight Iceland was reinforced in a futher 2 Waves, and as requested FM Model was deliverd an Armour'd regiment to ensure no Allied reprisals in the region.
Winter Broke over Belgium in March and the Wehrmacht was put to the test again. In a giant central spearhead German forces quickly arrived at the Gates of Paris but were unable to take the City until German Marines could arrive and help force the City into Surrender. German Armour broke through and taunts from the Allies were intercepted as they proclaimed to be providing support from the Red Berets. No Parachutes were found and hitler summised that the British were lying through there teeth in regard to having an elite parachute regiment. Hitlers dares the Allies to test such Units in combat, the Fallschirmjaeger who made there debut in Warsaw are waiting.
Donitz was awarded 6 Brand new Submarines after 4 were sent to the bottom South of Azores. Hitler has asked Donitz to not let such mistakes happen again, but was impressed with the loss of Allied Merchant ships and Royal Navy elements in these Engagements. Donitz has assured Hitler that soon the mighty Kriegsmarine would be ready for the task of Defending Axis Subs in the atlantic in what will become an ambitious plan to bring Britania and her subjects to there collective knees.
German troops still pushing North into Norway, Dietel and Student have assured the Fuhrer the knock blow has been dealt and they only await fresh supplies and fuel to finish the job.
German-Russian relations have never been better, and the Fuhrer wishes that Winston could have taken a note from Uncle Joes big book of kindliness. Having split Poland with the USSR, the Fuhrer placed an order for 1000 of the USSR's finest bottles of Vodka which the Commitern provided for free. (USSR offered 5K supps to assist with the timely demise of Warsaw, the Fuhrer assured Stalin that such incentives were not neccesary.
With NAP's over Sweden and Turkey with the USSR, Germany now sits preparing there next target for Invasion. Sealion? Spain? Italy? :rofl:
Time will tell.
(A bumpy start to the session but we got well under way, hope you can be there next week again Acid, 1800CET, 3AM Aussie Time...)
Let them come! We shall fight them on the beaches, in the fields, in the city streets, and outside the pubs after closing time. We shall nevah surrendah!
Never, never, never! Never.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uHhLe6WE0
Never, never, never! Never.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uHhLe6WE0
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FDR holds his breath after hearing the news of iceland falling into the hands of the germans.......actually he was swimming under water at the time!....but he is not worried one bit.......as the americans have been preparing for war with the evil nazis for years now!......in private tho he says "if that mother folkker isnt stopped soon........ill hit him with my crutch!!!!"
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HRH King George patiently awaits the arrival of the troops from our non-Canadian American colonies, eager as they must be to die for the mother country, like so many other colonials, like the Scots, Irish and East-Enders.
Events have developed today that might lead to me not being present for tonight's session. More later.
Regretfully,
Anders.
Regretfully,
Anders.
wow i don't know if im to late to be a part of this game but i love to play. Im very experience japan/uk player but would be willing to play other countries if those are not availabe