new rebel system abusable for easy land gain is.. OP

[atwix]

well, thats another weird change. If rebels win, not only the occupied provinces are involved in the result, the entire country, all the cores or the entire involved culture region, go independant or flip to another country.

OP? I saw Valycia spawn eating half of lithuania away, since AI was literally a month too late to clean the rebels. In ONE province. All because i kept their stacks busy.

This makes for very sneaky tactics, versus allies *and* enemies. You can trick an ally into NOT killing their rebels if you let them attach during a war. Release Byzantium right before otto war, block the strait, sink fleet, and entire Byzantium will flip to you eventually. Persia is also good example.

And then i'm not even talking about support rebel wars.

I wonder, if i take ONE shan province and then declare a support shan rebel war, will all their provinces flip to me without ever making peace? In peace deal, take a zhou core for minimal ae.

Rinse repeat.

Same for Sweden core from denmark after they integrated them etc etc..... I should really try it out. Sounds like easiest way to expand without AE or revolt risk.

Can it be done like this? If so well.. Disturbing change.

 

[Denkt]

Yea, that happened to my vassal that had an isolated province occupied and lost everything the rebels wanted, not only the province that the rebels occupied.

 

[Chevaresqye]

That is the main idea behind the design. Still take lot of setup time as well as DIP point.

 

[EarlyDead]

I think this is utter BS. Now you see Persia every game at 1470.
I have seen Timmy finaly destroying every Persian rebell stack. they were sieging down the sieged provinces. But they took their time to do so. THey were sieging down their last province, but boom--> THIS IS PERSIA!!!
FUn thing was, the last province they were just sieging down didn't even flip, it was a province where no rebels spawned, but was sieged down later.

THey should do some changes to the mechanic.

My Ideas would be:
1) Only sieged down provinces can flip

or

2) National Rebells should behave like pretender rebells, if they are dead, all provinces get unsieged imediatly.

 

[zodium]

2) National Rebells should behave like pretender rebells, if they are dead, all provinces get unsieged imediatly.

Good idea. Well, maybe halfway. If they are all dead and all rebel-controlled provinces are under siege, then they get unsieged.

 

[beckermt]

Good idea. Well, maybe halfway. If they are all dead and all rebel-controlled provinces are under siege, then they get unsieged.

CK2 mechanics might be a good match here, with the new rebel system. Revolts turn into little countries/duchies/whatever of their own, which then make peace through standard mechanics. Of course, in CK2's case, the revolt immediately assumes control of the targetted provinces completely, which may not work well for EU4.

 

[Beagá]

Same for Sweden core from denmark after they integrated them etc etc..... I should really try it out. Sounds like easiest way to expand without AE or revolt risk.

Can it be done like this? If so well.. Disturbing change.

You, as an experienced player, managed to use the system to great effect.

In other news, water is wet.

Rebels are expensive to mantain and the AI overall does avery good job with dealing with unrest and autonomy. So no, not OP.

The real issue is more the AI having trouble with isolated provinces and distant lands, but that was ALWAYS the case.

 

[atwix]

what i find OP is releasing a dead country from one province before declaring on the country that has them, only to fully occupy them until rebels flip all the provinces from the dead nation to my OPM vassal. And on top of that, you can ask for more provinces

The idea to let sieges dissapear if rebels are dead is a good one. I mean, ONE occupied province sieged back too late, that isn't even in Persia, means entire <persia becomes indepedant? That just sounds weird, unrealistic etc.