Thank you! Indeed, I had the peaceful conversion happen, only not for the province I wanted it the most 
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Sorry for all the questions, but I have another one:
I am the King of Sicily (started as Apulia, because it was recommended as a good starting country). I have all the lands of the Kingdom, with Sicily proper and Napoli in my personal demesne. My capital changed from Apulia to Napoli when I formed the Kingdom of Sicily - I assume it is because Napoli is richer, and has the correct religion (in contrast to the provinces I took from the muslims on sicily). I have been trying to convert Palermo to move my capital there, but no luck.
However I have been quite lucky in catching the Duke of Toscana at a good moment, and made them my vassal after a war. They had like 10 italian counts under them Anyway, I have almost expanded enough in Italy to usurp the King of Italy title from its current holder (a weak 1 province King). Additionally, I took Alexandria in a crusade (very rich!) and also grabbed Venice (that was tough... they can field a REALLY big army).
Now, the questions are, where do I set up my capital? Which of the two King titles will be my primary title? The one which I've had longer, or the one with more provinces attached to it? This is important, as my capital will change to a province withing my demesne and within my primary king title's area, correct?
I would like to keep Venice and Alexandria (they are soooo rich), but I don't want my capital there, as it would be isolated. Of course Rome would be a great option (the pope has some lands in the east, so I hope he won't be too mad), but the surrounding provinces are not that great if I remember right (not at my game pc right now). The other option would be sicily, but palermo has not converted yet... Oh the options... I have to decide on one of those, and give up one of the major areas I fear (Sicily, or Rome + 2 provinces around it + napoli + salerno) because of inefficiency
Any thoughts?
I am the King of Sicily (started as Apulia, because it was recommended as a good starting country). I have all the lands of the Kingdom, with Sicily proper and Napoli in my personal demesne. My capital changed from Apulia to Napoli when I formed the Kingdom of Sicily - I assume it is because Napoli is richer, and has the correct religion (in contrast to the provinces I took from the muslims on sicily). I have been trying to convert Palermo to move my capital there, but no luck.
However I have been quite lucky in catching the Duke of Toscana at a good moment, and made them my vassal after a war. They had like 10 italian counts under them
Anyway, I have almost expanded enough in Italy to usurp the King of Italy title from its current holder (a weak 1 province King). Additionally, I took Alexandria in a crusade (very rich!) and also grabbed Venice (that was tough... they can field a REALLY big army).Now, the questions are, where do I set up my capital? Which of the two King titles will be my primary title? The one which I've had longer, or the one with more provinces attached to it? This is important, as my capital will change to a province withing my demesne and within my primary king title's area, correct?
I would like to keep Venice and Alexandria (they are soooo rich), but I don't want my capital there, as it would be isolated. Of course Rome would be a great option (the pope has some lands in the east, so I hope he won't be too mad), but the surrounding provinces are not that great if I remember right (not at my game pc right now). The other option would be sicily, but palermo has not converted yet... Oh the options... I have to decide on one of those, and give up one of the major areas I fear (Sicily, or Rome + 2 provinces around it + napoli + salerno) because of inefficiency
Any thoughts?
Sorry for all the questions, but I have another one:
I am the King of Sicily (started as Apulia, because it was recommended as a good starting country). I have all the lands of the Kingdom, with Sicily proper and Napoli in my personal demesne. My capital changed from Apulia to Napoli when I formed the Kingdom of Sicily - I assume it is because Napoli is richer, and has the correct religion (in contrast to the provinces I took from the muslims on sicily). I have been trying to convert Palermo to move my capital there, but no luck.
However I have been quite lucky in catching the Duke of Toscana at a good moment, and made them my vassal after a war. They had like 10 italian counts under them
Now, the questions are, where do I set up my capital? Which of the two King titles will be my primary title? The one which I've had longer, or the one with more provinces attached to it? This is important, as my capital will change to a province withing my demesne and within my primary king title's area, correct?
I would like to keep Venice and Alexandria (they are soooo rich), but I don't want my capital there, as it would be isolated. Of course Rome would be a great option (the pope has some lands in the east, so I hope he won't be too mad), but the surrounding provinces are not that great if I remember right (not at my game pc right now). The other option would be sicily, but palermo has not converted yet... Oh the options... I have to decide on one of those, and give up one of the major areas I fear (Sicily, or Rome + 2 provinces around it + napoli + salerno) because of inefficiency
Any thoughts?
Your primary title is the first king title you gained. This doesn't change, except due to a minor bug during peace settlement, or if you lose that title. If you want to use another King title as your primary one, then you will need to do a save game edit.
Capital moves to the wealthiest province that shares your religion AND culture. If culture doesn't match then it moves to the wealthiest one where religion matches. If you do not have any provinces in your demesne that matches either religion or culture, then it is just the most wealthy one.
I can't remember what the cultures are in various part of Italy, but it seems that Venice does not match culture, and Alexandria doesn't match culture and religion. So to keep your capital from moving to Alexandria, you just need to never convert the province, or at least make sure that you don't get the same culture, or not give away all culture matching provinces.
It has been a while since I tested this, so take the above with a grain of salt. I am not 100% on the exact mechanics.
Ah, thanks for the info. As my King still has Norman culture, pretty much all provinces are wrong culture provinces, correct?
So, I guess I can move the capital to Palermo (once it converts), but not to Rome, since that is part of the Kingdom of Italy. Ok, sounds fine Maybe I'll give Rome (and the corresponding ducal title - should be Spolento?) to my heirs to hold onto, or something.
Though until Palermo converts, my capital will probably stay in Napoli... or maybe I can move to Messina, that province is catholic already. I want to tidy up my demesne, and having napoli as capital + Rome + 2 others in the area, and sicily, and venice, and Alexandria is a bit too messy for my tastes
Does the capital move automatically once an appropriate higher income province becomes egligible for capital, or do I have to give the current capital to someone else (i.e. my heir, so it will come back to the royal demesne)?
So, I guess I can move the capital to Palermo (once it converts), but not to Rome, since that is part of the Kingdom of Italy. Ok, sounds fine
Maybe I'll give Rome (and the corresponding ducal title - should be Spolento?) to my heirs to hold onto, or something. Though until Palermo converts, my capital will probably stay in Napoli... or maybe I can move to Messina, that province is catholic already. I want to tidy up my demesne, and having napoli as capital + Rome + 2 others in the area, and sicily, and venice, and Alexandria is a bit too messy for my tastes
Does the capital move automatically once an appropriate higher income province becomes egligible for capital, or do I have to give the current capital to someone else (i.e. my heir, so it will come back to the royal demesne)?
Ah, thanks for the info. As my King still has Norman culture, pretty much all provinces are wrong culture provinces, correct?
So, I guess I can move the capital to Palermo (once it converts), but not to Rome, since that is part of the Kingdom of Italy. Ok, sounds fine
Though until Palermo converts, my capital will probably stay in Napoli... or maybe I can move to Messina, that province is catholic already. I want to tidy up my demesne, and having napoli as capital + Rome + 2 others in the area, and sicily, and venice, and Alexandria is a bit too messy for my tastes
Does the capital move automatically once an appropriate higher income province becomes egligible for capital, or do I have to give the current capital to someone else (i.e. my heir, so it will come back to the royal demesne)?
If another province is considered higher priority than your current one, then it will automatically move. If you want to move it somewhere specific manually, you will probably have to give away titles to get that done.
As you probably already figured out, the capital stays inside your Kingdom, as long as you have provinces there. So for it to move to Venice or Alexandria, you could no longer have any demesne provinces in the Kingdom of Sicily.
I think I forgot to mention that.
Another question:
How should one handle mutiple rebellious vassals? I just noticed that my heir had become rebellious. That cheeky brat has almost as many provinces as I have, and two Duke titles in addition! His loyalty is rising at ~5% per month and usually is at 100%!
Anyway, I then checked my other vassals, and found four others who are rebellious (my other son, who has a county, among them... also the others are almost all members of my dynasty). All of them are 100% loyal with positive modifiers every month though. None of them have rebelled yet (some duke in northern Italy has done so twice, but then I recently force-vassalized him, so it is understandable - he does not have the rebellious trait though).
Should I be worried? Since the rebellious trait could spread among my vassals. I could try to ask some titles back, but I'm not sure if that would not backfire. What reason does my heir have to be rebellious, anyway? He's clearly the second most powerful lord in my kingdom, and stands to inherit... maybe he's impatient? My king is rather old already.
How should one handle mutiple rebellious vassals? I just noticed that my heir had become rebellious. That cheeky brat has almost as many provinces as I have, and two Duke titles in addition! His loyalty is rising at ~5% per month and usually is at 100%!
Anyway, I then checked my other vassals, and found four others who are rebellious (my other son, who has a county, among them... also the others are almost all members of my dynasty). All of them are 100% loyal with positive modifiers every month though. None of them have rebelled yet (some duke in northern Italy has done so twice, but then I recently force-vassalized him, so it is understandable - he does not have the rebellious trait though).
Should I be worried? Since the rebellious trait could spread among my vassals. I could try to ask some titles back, but I'm not sure if that would not backfire. What reason does my heir have to be rebellious, anyway? He's clearly the second most powerful lord in my kingdom, and stands to inherit... maybe he's impatient? My king is rather old already.
You are about to have your first Realm Duress experience. Congratulations, it is a most fun experience.
(Though, it is really fun from a roleplay perspective)
(Though, it is really fun from a roleplay perspective)
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Always be worried when you have more than one rebellious vassal
Sounds like one of them "infected" the others .... that is what they do.
Rebellious vassals get events that lower their loyalty by huge chunks, and also get events that spread the trait to other vassals. Besides those, they get events that let them declare independence with no wars or gained claims, and finally they can start a civil war which gives you the Realm Duress trait.... and THEN the funs starts
Sounds like one of them "infected" the others
.... that is what they do.Rebellious vassals get events that lower their loyalty by huge chunks, and also get events that spread the trait to other vassals. Besides those, they get events that let them declare independence with no wars or gained claims, and finally they can start a civil war which gives you the Realm Duress trait.... and THEN the funs starts
Hope you don't mind me posting here, seems silly to start another new thread for new player questions.
I've just recently installed CK (had it for a little while but hadn't got round to installing it), and was wondering if I should install any mods from the get-go or if I should just play the base game to get used to it? Also, what is a good starting nation to play as? I tried a quick game as a Welsh nation (forgot the name, sorryo) and I didn't really have much to do and wasn't sure what options were available to me.
I've just recently installed CK (had it for a little while but hadn't got round to installing it), and was wondering if I should install any mods from the get-go or if I should just play the base game to get used to it? Also, what is a good starting nation to play as? I tried a quick game as a Welsh nation (forgot the name, sorry
o) and I didn't really have much to do and wasn't sure what options were available to me.
Hope you don't mind me posting here, seems silly to start another new thread for new player questions.
I've just recently installed CK (had it for a little while but hadn't got round to installing it), and was wondering if I should install any mods from the get-go or if I should just play the base game to get used to it? Also, what is a good starting nation to play as? I tried a quick game as a Welsh nation (forgot the name, sorry
As for mods, it depends on whether you have just CK or also the DV expansion
As for starting nations, usually abig independent duchy or small kingdom is ideal, as you will have stuff to do, and won't be overwhelmed. Duchy of Apulia, Kingdoms or Sweden, Denmark or Poland are good starter nations. They have a suitable size with a few vassals, and nearby heathens to beat up on.
Thank youAs for mods, it depends on whether you have just CK or also the DV expansion
As for starting nations, usually abig independent duchy or small kingdom is ideal, as you will have stuff to do, and won't be overwhelmed. Duchy of Apulia, Kingdoms or Sweden, Denmark or Poland are good starter nations. They have a suitable size with a few vassals, and nearby heathens to beat up on.
I do have DV, I forgot to mention, so was interested in whether the DVIP made enough improvements to be worth not starting a new game without installing it.
Thank you
I do have DV, I forgot to mention, so was interested in whether the DVIP made enough improvements to be worth not starting a new game without installing it.
DVIP is pretty good ... so is TASS, which is the other major mod. Both have different strengths.
What I would do if I were you is to make sure the copy you have is patched to the latest beta-patch. Then make a copy of the CK folder somewhere. This will be your "clean" install.
Then you can apply either TASS or DVIP to the current CK folder. Since they are not compatible with each other, you can only install one of them. If you want to try both. Just make yet another copy of the clean install folder, and try the other mod in that one. Then figure out which one you prefer.
Anytime you might have installed something that messes up the game, or maybe you edit a bit yourself, you always have the clean install to go back to, and not having to reinstall the full game again.
That way you can also stat a barand new game on the vanilla/clean installation, and still try out one or more mods, and play games on those too.
I had three CK folders at one time:
1. "Clean" installion, with only the beta-patch
2. DVIP installation with that mod (and other minor mods)
3. TASS installation with the mod (and other minor mods).
Wrong. I have the latest beta and the Duke of Slavonia offered to me when I wasn't his corresponding king. Former vassals who break away can offer to come back into the fold.
That is different ... the answer was to if the vassal will ever accept YOUR vassalization proposal, not whether he would offer it himself.
I have found that sometimes the latest beta patch "breaks" and suddenly I can't go across muslim lands as a crusader, and I'll start getting vassalization offers not in my monarch's sphere of influence. So you might try re-installing the latest patch and see if it stops.
New Player Question
First off, I'd like to apologize if this is in the wrong fourm as i thought that the tech support fourm was only for actual issues. If i was wrong then would a mod please lock or move this thread.
Thank you for continuing to read my question, what i would like to ask is if there is a search or other way to quickly find provinces as I was declared war upon by a ruler that i don't know the location. Any answer would be appreciated even a no.
Also because i think it may help i am using deus vult with the beta patch and the improvement pack.
First off, I'd like to apologize if this is in the wrong fourm as i thought that the tech support fourm was only for actual issues. If i was wrong then would a mod please lock or move this thread.
Thank you for continuing to read my question, what i would like to ask is if there is a search or other way to quickly find provinces as I was declared war upon by a ruler that i don't know the location. Any answer would be appreciated even a no.
Also because i think it may help i am using deus vult with the beta patch and the improvement pack.
The best way is to click on thier shield that is on the notification pop-up.
If you have closed that then you can press the ? key to open the province finder and type the province name. Sadly you can't search for Duchy/Kingdom names. ESC key exits the province finder btw.
If you have closed that then you can press the ? key to open the province finder and type the province name. Sadly you can't search for Duchy/Kingdom names. ESC key exits the province finder btw.
i have a little question too: im planning on buying CK complete via gamersgate but before that i wanted to know if you can play the kingdom/duchy of galicia from the beginning of the grand campaign? i know that it was a seperate kingdom until 1230 though not independent anymore since ~1060 (personal union)...
thanks in advance!
thanks in advance!
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