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Tonioz said:
Fred, i still didn`t find a reason to cede 2 provs + possibly lose Danzig in return for quite nothing :) Perhaps you can explain better.

For now you showed all your intensions to leave Poland with Danzig at the seacost only, so it will be the next target for your strike after any excuse to leave alliance deal and so on.

Poland and Prussian leadersfile are too vice-versus not to think about polish future. For now you still didn`t give any good explanation, just promising alliance.
I'm not sure what you want in return really, some perm agreement that settle boarders for the rest of the game is not really my playstile.

Anyway, i belive it should be more in your interest to restore good relations with Brandenburg then to create a new enemy with a third front. :)
 

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Have you done much editing when it comes to eu2? It's quite simple, but if you haven't you usually make a lot of mistakes and aren't familiar with where everything is etc, thus giving the save to someone who is more familiar with things can be just as quick and much less hassle.

In this case Hive knows what he wants done with the Dutch though so it's probably just easiest for him to do it anyway.
 

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Re editing - I would rather have Spanish maps from 1568 than from 1552 (or whatever year we are on) for obvious reasosns. The simplest thing would be to have them form in 1568 from Spain, and then just edit in the money,army and navy.
 

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Fredrik82 said:
I'm not sure what you want in return really, some perm agreement that settle boarders for the rest of the game is not really my playstile.

Anyway, i belive it should be more in your interest to restore good relations with Brandenburg then to create a new enemy with a third front. :)

Were good relations broken ? Then it`s fully not my responsibility, because BRA dowed Poland, not vice-versus, and BRA wanted Polish lands :rofl:

Fred, i want safety of Danzig in return, as i mentioned. I don`t ask for forever peace deals, but i won`t cede 2 provinces. I don`t think i need to write regarding this once more - you know that well. It is understood by everybody, but you don`t want to deal it peacefully, but just choosing the moment to deal it other way :cool: You are using common phrases instead, and i know what you are aiming for.

Until you wish to go to the details and be really reasonable, there is no way between us to communicate well. And not i produce hostility.

pointing for world society - he is Bush ! :rofl:
 

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thread a little quiet..
 

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Everybody makes backstabbing deals and flamboyant schemes by ICQ and nobody announces any grand open moves.
 

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Byakhiam said:
Everybody makes backstabbing deals and flamboyant schemes by ICQ and nobody announces any grand open moves.

Frankly speaking Poland and Brandenburg are sharing the world now. But remember, i told you, he is Bush :rofl:
 

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The Empire of Third Rome looks magnificient, with marvelous Art produced in Moscow, endless amounts of land waiting russian settlers in Siberia and the important Trade Center of Astrakhan safe and sound in russian hands. Beware the Bear.

Edit requests: Removal of event 3406 (Russian Claims on the Steppes) and event 3404 (Russian Claims in the East) from event history, to allow them to trigger properly. If you are feeling generous, -1 aristo (maxed narrow already) for missing Chosen Council.
 

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Fascinating session... but a difficult one for the Ottomans. I spent a lot of money on missionaries, but had one conversion success to ten failures (admittedlly all wrong culture provs).
Diplomatic wise, I started off by putting pressure on Persia to give in to the Russian demand of Astrakhan. It was me and Russia vs Persia and the Mughals. War exhaustion had done it's damage on the Persians, and they gave in to the Russian demand and there was peace for a time.
About a decade passed.

Then Persia decided they would get their own back on me, and together with Mughal backup invaded. I thought I would be able to hold the defenses, but Venice declared war on me while Suleyman was patrolling the Balkans. Venice's navy is strong (a CRT up) and I couldn't break their blockade of my straits. So I was outnumbered significantly at the start. I did manage to break the blockade but by that stage the Persians had a strong upper hand. When Austria declared war on me as well, I gave in to the Persian demand of Iraq and Kirkuk, and focused on the Austrian front. It was a bit of a see-saw... both sides suffered casualties. Austria had superior leaders, Ottomans superior numbers. The terrain was difficult, lots of rivers and the like. At the end of the day we agreed to white peace.

Now, why does Venice do what Venice does? It's MOST aggravating. I guess Venice feels that it's only option is to cozy up to the Hapsburgs... but given that both Austria and Spain each own more Italian provinces than Venice herself, I suspect this is a flawed strategy. Time will tell.
 
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Exciting session to say the least.

It started well, but then I got a civil war. Alba defected. It took me 2 years to recover and after that Frisia had an intern revolt and the Dutch were reformed.
The GM decided to release the Dutch in 1564. I wasn't really prepared for a war (no leaders except average random ones and a small fleet) but I dowed anyway for fun.

And got a beating :)
 
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Well, it was a good session for England. Due to a combination of skill and luck, our income has swollen to over 100d a month now. Colonies in the Americas are producing tobacco and fish for English consumption. The English navy is proud and strong. The English army is victorious. Inflation is now somewhat under control.

After the expiration of the Anglo-Portugese alliance, Portugal joined the Spanish in an Iberian coalition. England first turned to Denmark. The Danish were cold and aloof, demanding Acadie and Nova Scotia for an alliance. England refused to bend to such demands and so she approached France. The stench of the French king still burns in my nose. He demanded Calais for an alliance. Again, England refused. And so finally England approached the Spanish, whom also rebuffed them. It was a cold day in England. Many children cried for lack of friends.

Shortly after the Spanish Civil War, the Spaniards asked for the English to give them the English trading posts in Cuba. For the sum of 100d, they were sold to the Spanish. England needed the money and it was used to send many Englishmen to the more defensible territories in North America. Then the Dutch people began their revolt from Spain. Many came to the English court asking for our position, but we remained aloof waiting to see what developed.

The Danish joined the Dutch and pursued a war against Spain. The Spanish asked for our help and the glittering prize of a virtually undefended Danish New World was too good to resist. War was declared upon Denmark and the English Colonial Militia took Massachussetts, then Manhattan, then struck against the Danish Colonial Army in Connecticut, routing it north into Adirondack before the cowards fled across the border into French Canada with a few thousand souls. Victorious, English troops moved to take the remaining nearby Danish possessions of Micmac and Isle Royale. The Danish navy was sighted patrolling off the coast of Anglia, but it retreated. The English did see how large the force was, and so new galleys were raised in the Anglia shipyards.

Then the Swedes declared war. We had considered this eventuality and raised a few reinforcements for the home army before moving it north to wait in Yorkshire. The Swedish army remained in Northumberland while the English fleet crushed the Swedish fleet in the Firth of Forth. Then the English engaged in several battles with the Swedes, now isolated from their escape route and eventually they were destroyed. As yet, no more Swedish armies have invaded England. The home army remains vigilant!
 

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Nice fun first session as the Dutch, unfortunately inflation is higher than I would have liked due to silly AI trading - rule of thumb is to NEVER auto-trade if you don't have trade 3. It's not too good even after that, but at least it's better than no trade at all.
 

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Hmmm, just realised that since I broke away from Freisland, I still only have trade 2, and not trade 3. This wouln't be so bad if all income saved in between techs were not lost when a nation is inherited. I have looked at Freisan stats for 1553 and noticed that they would have got both infra 3 and trade 3 in 1568.

So I propose that my infra and trade should both be edited to 3 each. I also propse that my naval tech be increased to level 4 (since some of that was also lost). Land tech is fine however.

I think this is a fair boost for the Dutch - even with those edits, their tech is still worse than the OE (including naval).

Edit - naval should be 4 not 5.
 

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BTW i think its funny how people can say that in 1500s, poland + OE v austria isnt a gang bang where persia + austria v OE is. If i thought you actually beleived it id say you were stupid :)

PS before you say anything mughals and venice had no battles that i know of....
 

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cheech said:
BTW i think its funny how people can say that in 1500s, poland + OE v austria isnt a gang bang where persia + austria v OE is. If i thought you actually beleived it id say you were stupid :)

PS before you say anything mughals and venice had no battles that i know of....

I was fighting Venice in the straits and struggling... there were a lot of ships committed on both sides, and I lost quite a lot myself. As for Mughals, they didn't get involved directly (in the second war) but they were massing on my borders.

Brilliant timing of the war though... declaring war a couple of months before Suleyman dies :)
 
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The Ottomans are speeding for land tech 14, Europe beware!

And the Mughals are doing great as well. Very nice empire over there :)

I will miss next session due to a stay in Antwerp. I will try to find a sub. Peace negotations can be done with me and my sub will get instructions to sign that peace.