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To show the true of this words, three ships loaded with spanish gold are sailing at this moment to the istria port.
Any agression from our french neighbour over Habsburg´s lands will be crushed, as that is the will of God.

Mantua, Year of our Lord of 1539.

Ok just so I get this right:

Austria, the most powerful nation in the game, and Spain, the by far richest Empire on our continent have signed a defensive(?) pact in order to balance the oh so powerful French agressor? Looks like you are safe for at least another year... or a millenium or so.

EDIT: Do we actually HAVE a French player now, or what?

 

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I haven't any claims on Sweden in the current borders, Swedish army was stopped. What's the problem? Lords of Russia and OE aren't European dynasties, they are Asian barbarians and have more problems than me. And France? Yes, it's one of the 3 strongest countries in Europe .

You will not fool the mighty tsar, nor any other European leader with such an obvious lie.. All the fighting was done on Polish or Pommeranian land, and the Swedish army wasn't stopped, but withdrawn to fight the filthy danish and brandenburgian agressors.

 

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Ok just so I get this right:

Austria, the most powerful nation in the game, and Spain, the by far richest Empire on our continent have signed a defensive(?) pact in order to balance the oh so powerful French agressor? Looks like you are safe for at least another year... or a millenium or so.

EDIT: Do we actually HAVE a French player now, or what?

Does the horse-lover Tzar understand the meaning of the word "defensive"?

 

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Koning, Please award Flosan, Duke, Yourself, Kuan and Me with the 100 D bonus for the AAR's

And Flo, alas, even though Jamala tried to find one with a buatifull thread Nobody responded. I have asked emmdaar, who played earlier with us, to sub France. If we could have a perm that would be better, but i dont think we will find one before 1300

And, btw, the sub will be allowed to do whatever he wants, as long as its realistic for france to do But i dont think you worry about that anymore with your "defence pact" is it koning ? hehehe

And now some words as GrandVizir:

The Sultan looks at the Habsburg "defense pact" with the great suspision. We can only hope that it will not turn in an Axis against to the poor French and German minors! Altough of course every dead catholic, is a good catholic. Any agression against Poland however we have no problem with

Signed Grand Vizier Sokollu Seen Mehmet Pasha

 

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Koning, Please award Flosan, Duke, Yourself, Kuan and Me with the 100 D bonus for the AAR's

And Flo, alas, even though Jamala tried to find one with a buatifull thread Nobody responded. I have asked emmdaar, who played earlier with us, to sub France. If we could have a perm that would be better, but i dont think we will find one before 1300

And, btw, the sub will be allowed to do whatever he wants, as long as its realistic for france to do But i dont think you worry about that anymore with your "defence pact" is it koning ? hehehe

And now some words as GrandVizir:

The Sultan looks at the Habsburg "defense pact" with the great suspision. We can only hope that it will not turn in an Axis against to the poor French and German minors! Altough of course every dead catholic, is a good catholic. Any agression against Poland however we have no problem with

Signed Grand Vizier Sokollu Seen Mehmet Pasha

We have no interest in french lands, but the German lands belongs to the Emperor. And all of you can trust us, this is a defensive alliance, not an offensive one.

 

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We have no interest in french lands, but the German lands belongs to the Emperor. And all of you can trust us, this is a defensive alliance, not an offensive one.

I completely agree. Austriua should thus release the lands it has annexed in Germany. Thank you Spain.

You are of course aware that the curret Emperor is som unimportant Princeling, right? Was it Fritz of Saxony? I don't see how he could force these claims though.

The Archduke of Austria lost sympathies in the HRE when he started annexing the German minors. He has thus no claim on Germany whatsoever, Especially not in the protestant north.

 

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I completely agree. Austriua should thus release the lands it has annexed in Germany. Thank you Spain.

You are of course aware that the curret Emperor is som unimportant Princeling, right? Was it Fritz of Saxony? I don't see how he could force these claims though.

The Archduke of Austria lost sympathies in the HRE when he started annexing the German minors. He has thus no claim on Germany whatsoever, Especially not in the protestant north.

You can say what you want, but the Austrian Archduke will be soon the Emperor, when no german minor left.

Btw, what is the point of Russian troops in Austria?
To die in a foreign land?

 

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I believe we should start peace negotians, but first i want to explain my reasons for this war, which in fact was an act of self defence.
I watched swedish and english expansion in northern germany with growing fear, vassalization of Brandenburg by England convinced me that i must act before it`s too late.
Now, it`s me that is considered "warmonger", and Tzar of Russia stated that my claims in northern Gemrany are unjustified. Lets answer simple question then: what about England and Sweden holding half of Germany ? Is it right thing?
Im being labeled as warmonger, but lets look at Sweden, they already annexed most of Denmark, and got foothold in Germany. As to England i keep asking myself what do they do in Germany ? Nobody invited them here, and there is whole continent on the other side of ocean, just begging to be discovered by their brave explorers and settlers.
One more thing, Russia states that my claims in Germany are unjustified and joined this war acting in wrong presumption that they fight in defence of balance of power.
Lets look at this matter from my point of view. All other countries, maybe with exception of Poland, will expand freely in new world, africa, asia, siberia etc. Austria will not. My only chance to keep up with you is to expand in Germany. They are my keens, and need only small guidance to return to the true faith. Thus i believe i have rightfull claims on any nation that interferes in Germany. I will always consider this region as my closest sphere of interest and there wont be any copromise on this matter. Non possumus !
England and Sweden must accept the fact they lost all their possessions in Gemany and in consequence that they lost this war. I admit that Russian intervention is a nuisance, but its just a nuisance.
Anyways i feel its time for us to talk. My conditions are Mecklemburg and vorpommern to Austria, and all other german states now in hands of my enemies should be released as vassals and later as fully independent countries
On my side Ill guarantee nap pact with England, Sweden and newly created countries for 20 years, and war reparations of 500.
This offer is negotiable, we await your answer.
Btw, can someone post a savefile in thread?

 

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I agree Jamala, we should talk about peace. As for the savefile, Seen put it on the Stats page I think.

I know it is not my job at all to balance Austria, and I would rather have good relations with you than war, but let me tell you my considerations:

1) Austria is currently the most powerful nation in the game. You signed an Alliance with Spain, imho the second Powerful nation in game, most powerful if only looking at income. France has been AI very much and Austria profited from that to the degree of even allying them.

2) I do not consider Germany to be yours automatically. Austria gets Hungary and Bohemia (and rightfully so) and of course Parts of Germany, however norhtern Germany is a vacuum in this game as I would usually want a BRA/PRU player there. I am also sure that ENG would cede their provinces in the north to a player BRA but not to Austria.

3) England had been AI played last session with considerable damage done without any edits made (yet). That was of course a good moment for you to attack, but it made an argument for me to support them.

4) Before your attack I had talks with Sweden about a possible defensive Pact, and I do honor agreements whenever I can.

As for my troops being a nuisance, I think you should know by now that they are somewhat more than that. My troops are cheap and plentiful, and even though my quality is lower I have several very nice leaders who seem, to make a difference. I am sure you watched the battle in Bremen where I beat an your army even though it was almost twice my size.
I am sieging hungary and am almost done. Your army might arrive in time to prevent me killing your conversion, but will you win that battle? Furthermore the battle is happening on your turf, and I will be sure to plunder your rich provinces and run my armies a few times over those manufacturies of yours. Might just be enough to kill one or two of them. Making threats is not a good way of negotiating peace, I know that, but I want to be sure we understand just how much of a "nuisance" I can be. More troops are underway.
However I want to say once more than I am not fond of war, especially not one with Austria, which I should normally not have to fight.

What I suggest is a white peace and some kind of NAP for 20 years, Austria can consider such an agreement a victory because English and Swedish economy took a hard hit due to this war, whereas Austrian economy is still great, I guess thanks to Spanish support. Inhowfar England or Sweden have reparation claims I cannot say, SPain would proably be willing to pay a little amount of reperations if that means they dont have to feed Austria all the time.

Once Holland is there ein the north after 1580 and is controlled by a player I would consider Northern Germany fair game for Austria as well, for the moment I dont feel this to be true.

As always, I hold no claim on the abolute truth, just the way I see it right now. Let us talk. Hohenzollern and Leiv.. get involved, I want peace set when we start on monday.

Flo

 

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For my part, i will not pay nobody nothing at all. :rofl:

The money sent to Austria was a punishment for Russia joining the war.

Austria has won the war, and trust me, he will continue raising his ws if the war continues. I think England and Sweden will be happy with austrian demands(2 prov).

 

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For my part, i will not pay nobody nothing at all. :rofl:

The money sent to Austria was a punishment for Russia joining the war.

Austria has won the war, and trust me, he will continue raising his ws if the war continues. I think England and Sweden will be happy with austrian demands(2 prov).

He just lost Bremen in the north and the rest of his army there. I have a feeling his WS is on the way down. However I hope we wont have to explore that.
That he managed the war without getting a dent into his economy WITHOUT you giving him money is very impressive. I thought you were feeding him more.
On the other hand that also shows why he has to be stopped (for now) from further expansion, he is already by far the most powerful nation around.

Flo

 

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To the warring courts of Europe,

As our interests lie in other parts of the world, Portugal chooses not to take a stance in this European war. We would like however to express our thoughts on the matter. A possible end of the war could be near, since words of peace have been spoken by both sides, might it be that the gap between demands is still quite large. Strong demands made by Austria might go too far, for although Austria seems to have the upperhand in the war, the Alliance of the North seems quite determined to turn the tables soon.
We would like to state that an early peace is followed by light reperations, whereas a long war will result in a much more severe punishment for the losing party. We lament this strife between our Christian brothers and hope they will be able to unite themselves in God's embrace.

Forever believing,

Guano
Overseer of Colonial Development.

 

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I agree Jamala, we should talk about peace. As for the savefile, Seen put it on the Stats page I think.

I know it is not my job at all to balance Austria, and I would rather have good relations with you than war, but let me tell you my considerations:

1) Austria is currently the most powerful nation in the game. You signed an Alliance with Spain, imho the second Powerful nation in game, most powerful if only looking at income. France has been AI very much and Austria profited from that to the degree of even allying them.

2) I do not consider Germany to be yours automatically. Austria gets Hungary and Bohemia (and rightfully so) and of course Parts of Germany, however norhtern Germany is a vacuum in this game as I would usually want a BRA/PRU player there. I am also sure that ENG would cede their provinces in the north to a player BRA but not to Austria.

3) England had been AI played last session with considerable damage done without any edits made (yet). That was of course a good moment for you to attack, but it made an argument for me to support them.

4) Before your attack I had talks with Sweden about a possible defensive Pact, and I do honor agreements whenever I can.

As for my troops being a nuisance, I think you should know by now that they are somewhat more than that. My troops are cheap and plentiful, and even though my quality is lower I have several very nice leaders who seem, to make a difference. I am sure you watched the battle in Bremen where I beat an your army even though it was almost twice my size.
I am sieging hungary and am almost done. Your army might arrive in time to prevent me killing your conversion, but will you win that battle? Furthermore the battle is happening on your turf, and I will be sure to plunder your rich provinces and run my armies a few times over those manufacturies of yours. Might just be enough to kill one or two of them. Making threats is not a good way of negotiating peace, I know that, but I want to be sure we understand just how much of a "nuisance" I can be. More troops are underway.
However I want to say once more than I am not fond of war, especially not one with Austria, which I should normally not have to fight.

What I suggest is a white peace and some kind of NAP for 20 years, Austria can consider such an agreement a victory because English and Swedish economy took a hard hit due to this war, whereas Austrian economy is still great, I guess thanks to Spanish support. Inhowfar England or Sweden have reparation claims I cannot say, SPain would proably be willing to pay a little amount of reperations if that means they dont have to feed Austria all the time.

Once Holland is there ein the north after 1580 and is controlled by a player I would consider Northern Germany fair game for Austria as well, for the moment I dont feel this to be true.

As always, I hold no claim on the abolute truth, just the way I see it right now. Let us talk. Hohenzollern and Leiv.. get involved, I want peace set when we start on monday.

Flo

I`m afraid your proposition is unacceptable right now. Let`s look at the current situation in war.
1) England is basically out - they have no army, no fleet, their kingdom is plundered by rebels, their inflation skyrocketed. It wasn`t my intention to ruin them, they did it for ourselves by draggin this war for too long.
2) Sweden is in better position, at least their economy is in good health, but too their army is around 10000 if I recall correctly.
3) That leads to conclusion that this war has changed to Austrian - Russian war. You should ask yourself, mighty Tzar, how long are you going to fight for somebody else, in a war that is clearly not yours. Also, you cannot expect to be succesfull in it, fighting so far from your country. And what will happen if Poland cancels military access with you?
As you said, my economy is doing fine, and we could drag this forever, but thats not my intention. As I said before, I will not tollerate any other major powers in HRE. You`re right that it would be better if the Brandenburg player was existant, but he`s not.
I don`t want to ruin any countries but white peace is unacceptable. I think my demand of 2 provinces, and releassing other as vassals is a reasonable one, and i`m willing to pay some reparations in return. And ask your fellow england king why the heck he is so binded to 2 provinces he doesnt really need, so he let this war destroy his whole country?
And of course i`m waiting for english and swedish answer

 

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And as always...the stats are still there to prove anyone right/wrong

Stats n00bs 1554

 

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3) That leads to conclusion that this war has changed to Austrian - Russian war. You should ask yourself, mighty Tzar, how long are you going to fight for somebody else, in a war that is clearly not yours.

A very valid point, I will consider this after consulting with my allies.

Also, you cannot expect to be succesfull in it, fighting so far from your country. And what will happen if Poland cancels military access with you?

Well, as you must have seen, I am doing rather well at the moment and your provinces are burning. I dont mind burning them some more.
I would think just as likely as them cancelling MA is them DOWing you.

As you said, my economy is doing fine, and we could drag this forever, but thats not my intention.

And as you can see, so is mine. y intentions are similar to yours, but I don't go for your conditions

As I said before, I will not tollerate any other major powers in HRE. You`re right that it would be better if the Brandenburg player was existant, but he`s not.

You lost the Emperor title after only a few years. Your claim to germany is non existat, you have no single core there.

I don`t want to ruin any countries but white peace is unacceptable. I think my demand of 2 provinces, and releassing other as vassals is a reasonable one, and i`m willing to pay some reparations in return.

Will you quarantee never to gulp up the released vassals or is this just a way of avoiding to fight players and just go for the AI?

As the situation stands, I hurt and plunder you, you dont hurt me (my troops are dirt cheap). You said your position was negotiable, but you have not moved one bit since your first dispatch. Make a better offer.

 

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Ok, lets clear up my intentions in Germany.

I do not intend to expand into Germany. I have not shown any aggression against any german minor. Quite the opposite, i have defended both Pommern and Brandenburg against invasions from Poland and Austria. The land i have taken in Germany, has been taken from denmark. My conflict with Denmark is a scandinavian conflict, started by denmarks attempted scandinavian domination and following annexation of Norway. That is definetaly not your war Archduke.

It did lead to my country taking land in Germany though, but that was only because those were the only provinces denmark would offer me in peace deals. I would be quite willing to discuss those matters with you, but you declared war without warning.

The reason i'm not willingly giving away the German lands to you is that they you have no claim on them, and i consider you a threat. If you take the North German coast, you will threaten the baltic ocean. It is not because i want to keep these provinces myself. In fact, i have not even built tax collectors there. Wouldn't that indicate that i have no intentions of prolonged presence in Germany?

Therefore, i have made this offer twice before: I can give my provinces to Brandenburg. Thus, you will only have a clearly weaker country to compete with you in the HRE. Brandenburg would be no threat to you at all.

We should get a Brandenburg player as well. Austria gobbling up all of Germany disrupts the balance of power. It would be quite playable too, if it gets English and Swedish lands in Germany.

 

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Ok, lets clear up my intentions in Germany.

I do not intend to expand into Germany. I have not shown any aggression against any german minor. Quite the opposite, i have defended both Pommern and Brandenburg against invasions from Poland and Austria. The land i have taken in Germany, has been taken from denmark. My conflict with Denmark is a scandinavian conflict, started by denmarks attempted scandinavian domination and following annexation of Norway. That is definetaly not your war Archduke.

It did lead to my country taking land in Germany though, but that was only because those were the only provinces denmark would offer me in peace deals. I would be quite willing to discuss those matters with you, but you declared war without warning.

The reason i'm not willingly giving away the German lands to you is that they you have no claim on them, and i consider you a threat. If you take the North German coast, you will threaten the baltic ocean. It is not because i want to keep these provinces myself. In fact, i have not even built tax collectors there. Wouldn't that indicate that i have no intentions of prolonged presence in Germany?

Therefore, i have made this offer twice before: I can give my provinces to Brandenburg. Thus, you will only have a clearly weaker country to compete with you in the HRE. Brandenburg would be no threat to you at all.

We should get a Brandenburg player as well. Austria gobbling up all of Germany disrupts the balance of power. It would be quite playable too, if it gets English and Swedish lands in Germany.

The posiblility fo a bb player is up to our host bandwith, but i dont think an austrian player with germany would be too poowerful for gameplay.

Btw, you should talk about the peace that austrian player is offering you, that i think is very generous.

The fact that the russians have won one or two battles doesnt mean nothing, he will lose a lot more in the future if the war continues.

As Seen said, look at the stats, you will see the land tech, manpower and monthly income of austria.

 

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The posiblility fo a bb player is up to our host bandwith, but i dont think an austrian player with germany would be too poowerful for gameplay.

Btw, you should talk about the peace that austrian player is offering you, that i think is very generous.

The fact that the russians have won one or two battles doesnt mean nothing, he will lose a lot more in the future if the war continues.

As Seen said, look at the stats, you will see the land tech, manpower and monthly income of austria.

You say that an Austria with all of Germany wouldn't be too powerful AND that Russia, England and Sweden together stand no chance against the current Austria? That sounds somewhat contradicting to me. To me, there is no doubt that Austria is getting way too powerful. If it takes the North German coast, it will become a threat so great i don't understand how anyone could be comfortable as its neighbour. I'm determined to keep the Archduke from threatening my homelands. As i said though, i'm not determined to keep my German territories.

Oh, btw. Not many of you have my ICQ. If anyone wishes to discuss anything, here it is: 297930696

 

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We are glad to announce that peace negotiations with Russia last night have been succesfull. We agreeded terms:
1) vorpommern goes to austria
2) mecklemburg, holstein and bremen are supposed to be releassed as vassals of England and Sweden. ( of course no diploannexing them later )
3) i`ll guarantee independence of newly created states until 1580 - creation of netherlands
4) some reparations are possible
I know that it may seem we made decisions behind you back, Sweden and England, but unfortunately, we couldn`t contact you.
Please state your opinion on the terms, which i think are very good for you, and keep in mind that russia agreed to them, and russia is the one fighting this war now.
Btw, hohenzollern why did you ruin your country like that?

 

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Just a quick message before I am off. I have not had time to read up on all the posts, will do so later today when I am back.

What Jamala suggests is something I can live with. I would like to hear what my allies think about it. Reperations should be discussed between the 3 of you, I dont claim any.

Flo