new multiplayer game: the quest for conquest

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This BB attack might be sneak, but rational, so I understand. Bodvar just wanted to use the land CRT advantage as soon as he prepared his navy. However I don't like this ally peace&dow trick. I think it's unfair and should be banned by GMs for following games.

It might seem that it's an overwhelming defeat for me, but actually it turned on a hair. My naval tech was better than BB, though I didn't expect such a quick attack, I didn't rush a naval production and bang, I was outnumbered on sea. When it comes to land, it was clear that I won't have a chance alone. If I could meet BB with a close number of ships, I'm sure I could win that war and even gain some land. He didn't spend any time and wait for me to have a brand-new strong king and an able admiral.

BTW, there wasn't anything wrong made by Russia (maybe it seems so as WOW says) In reality, he joined the war and fought in Estonia with me against BB. He was even about to lose a province. Then he switched to a defensive stance, which is quite rational because of his tech disadvantage.

In the next session, maybe I'll be annexed or left with few provinces, but restarting the game or not are both OK for me. I won't say "restart, restart", even though I lost. 'Cause from my previous experiences, I know how much you feel bad when your victory is interrupted (So OE, BB and Austria wants to continue, i guess. It's obvious that I'm favor of restarting too).

I know that what I am doing is nowhere near beeing nice, and the fact that this is your first war doesn't make it any better. This was planned in 1640 (and even earlier actually, but not in detail). Your fall was as you pointed out: the difference in navies, I had naval superiority from the start, which allowed me to attack where you had few troops. Russia couldn't do much tbh, I had two crts and 50% better morale in addition to +1 shock and fire in the start of the war, now I have 40% better morale one crt and still shock and fire bonus. And after the first war I had Finland, so I would be defending.

I have one question however, did you figth on 50% maintenance? Stats shows 50%, If so, no wonder if you where defeated.

I won this because I had a similar war with Midos in 1595-1603 approximately, and there I needed five years to take down his fleet (I won that war too, and if it wasn't because of a bug I would have taken Skåne in that war as well, but I didn't have the ability to continue figthing after that war). This time I was prepared with a much larger navy, and I had built warships on beforehand. And I dowed you when you didn't have any admirals (you got Stenbock in 55 but then I had won and he's just a 4/3/3 (the bonuses is outweighted by better numbers and morale)). I did not do this because you're a newbie, I did this because the nap with England and the nap I had with you and Russia (expired in 52) gave me an 18 year-window to take you down, and once you had fallen this hard, I decided to go all the way (I originally planned to take strategical provs for an eventual second war, after the truce expired as your army was big enough that I couldn't be sure about a victory).

 

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I have one question however, did you figth on 50% maintenance? Stats shows 50%, If so, no wonder if you where defeated.

I recently changed it to 50%, after it's clear that my whole defence is annihilated.

 

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That game is freakly unbalanced.. and I hope that Brandenburg and Habsburgs wont feel like a great winners while they used weakness of France and Sweden.. They can be proud that they were able to defend those gainings.. actually Bra shouldnt. I really dont like Brodvar way of playing, firstly I was impressed about his progress in India and in world trade, but then that sneaky attack on me and now that ( I mean second attack on Sweden) It's not right to treat in that way much more weaker nation, and in meanwhile destroying game for person which is probably playing first time serious Multi Player game.. Maybe it is to late but I know that power of that Spa/Hab/Bra alliance is in official Alliance.. mostly they were in it that's why in case of having such official alliance other nations should create other official. Many times I was lied and shame on me that I belived.. first of all I could attack Spain at start of that game which I didnt cose I belived them.. Secondly Brandenburg "friendship NAP" was so friendly that many times I wanted to break it. Although I'm voting for continuing..

I have never ever lied in this game, I have camuflaged my intents, saying I may do this and that, I have not said I wouldn't do this and that and then done it. I may hide the truth, or only show parts of the puzzle, I keep all my agreements, and I am a thrustworthy ally. And I haven't done anything that even bourderlines aggression towards England after peace was signed in 1640. If England desires peace between me and them they can have it. I have always considered the figth between France/OE and Spain/Austria to be the matter of theese four. When England funds France, I fund Austria. When England dows Spain, I dow England. It's that simple, and when I am at war, I might as well try to get something for my efforts, like Shanghai (as I aimed for) or an opportunity for a one on one vs Sweden (as the war was decided at sea it was a one on one)

 

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Ian opportunity for a one on one vs Sweden (as the war was decided at sea it was a one on one)

Yes there was an opportunity and I'm not suprised that you used that chance, if I were on your place I would to this same, but second attack was like gaining 100bad boy points in my opinion.. it was evil and greedy.. When England is funding France you are funding Habsburg? I hope not in war against France. After you attacked sweden you told me why you signed NAP.. to dow them, indeed you could, but second dow was to much for our relations.. That NAP was like England is accepting your 2 wars against Sweden and Habsburg wars with France, you could attack nation which I'm treating like a friend and I couldn't do anything in that case and even more.. I couldn't attack your friend.. this nap is "a bit" unfair. I though it will look a little bit diffrent.

 

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To make things clear: As I was sure that WOW wouldn't want to break the nap with Bodvar, I didn't ask for help even for once. And because of this fact, he didn't dow BB and this leads to my destruction. (I can't accuse WOW because he's loyal to his international agreements)

On the other hand, I didn't see Bodvar lieing. Before the session, he even told me that he's gonna build a big navy, but naturally he didn't reveal his real intentions. This is cheating (fed by my foolness), but it is normal in warfare or diplomacy, so I understand it.

Once again, what I see as a unfair practice, is this ally peace&dow thing. Especially when you do it twice.

 

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Also, FAL, it is time to reveal the world what your nickname means... Mioz didnt manage to get a province from me. However, i do congratulate him in his performance.

Well, congratulations that you managed to stop the Ottoman offensive...but Alas! you didn't win, so I am afraid my nickname meaning will stay clouded

 

[martmol]

Argh!

 

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Argh!

.....

 

[martmol]

so I am afraid my nickname meaning will stay clouded

argh

 

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Check it out

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...season=Valkyrie.net IX&lang=eng&yearsave=1608

Our old friend is doing fine, I'm wondering is this game still going on..

 

[BurningEGO]

Well, he got a trade agreement with everyone... At least, thats a proof that he isnt editing in 100 merchants for himself.

 

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Well, congratulations that you managed to stop the Ottoman offensive...but Alas! you didn't win, so I am afraid my nickname meaning will stay clouded

FAL, why don't you sub for Borga on sunday, if you win against me on a one on one Sweden can get Finland back, if you loose you reveal the secret

 

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Just a little (selfish) heads up:
skimming trough the event files for any good Swedish events in the near future I stumbled over this one, Sweden was ghosted at that time and if I where Sweden I would request it to be fired after session, now seeing as I am about to annex Sweden, I would like to get theese goodies as well . If I where Sweden I would have gone for option b, but that's just me.

#The Mercantile Reforms#
event = {
	id = 3231
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME3231"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3231"
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1620 }
	offset = 3649

	action_a ={ # Mercantilist Policy
		name = "ACTIONNAME3231A"
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -2 value = 3 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
	}
	action_b ={ # Free Trade Policy
		name = "ACTIONNAME3231B"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = merchants value = 5 }
		command = { type = cot which = 254 }
		command = { type = removecot which = 305 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -3 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
	}
	action_c ={ # Align with Dutch colonialism
		name = "ACTIONNAME3231C"
		command = { type = stability value = -6 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 4 }
		command = { type = merchants value = 5 }
		command = { type = colonists value = 6 }
		command = { type = cot which = 254 }
		command = { type = removecot which = 305 }
		command = { type = domestic which = MERCANTILISM value = -4 }
		command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -2 }
		command = { type = naval value = 2000 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = POR value = -150 }
		command = { type = trade value = 1000 }

 

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Just a little (selfish) heads up:
skimming trough the event files for any good Swedish events in the near future I stumbled over this one, Sweden was ghosted at that time and if I where Sweden I would request it to be fired after session, now seeing as I am about to annex Sweden, I would like to get theese goodies as well . If I where Sweden I would have gone for option b, but that's just me.

Wouldn't that option have removed the Cot in Holstein

And more serious note: It sucks that Sweden didn't get any compensation for being ghosted that much. Losing out on events like this hurt it even more. All in all countries that were ghosted or AI-ed in this game were screwed bigtime. Except Spain when it was AI-ed for 7 years.

 

[BurningEGO]

Well, i was ghosted for a big time (missed 2 hours one session), and i missed my Olivares event. I asked Martin to edit it, 2 weeks ago already, and i never had a single answer. That Event really screwed me:

1º diplo points... always help reduce BB points. Not a really painful situation in Spain, but less BB points are always welcome.
2º admin points... i am conquering the azteks and incas, and for christ sake, i need admin points for conversions
3º military point... last war with the OE... lost battles easily because of morale. having these extra points from olivares would make my morale go up 0.25. Which would nulify the turkish morale and make the sides a bit more even. I lost battles - and men, thanks to this event.

 

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Wouldn't that option have removed the Cot in Holstein

And more serious note: It sucks that Sweden didn't get any compensation for being ghosted that much. Losing out on events like this hurt it even more. All in all countries that were ghosted or AI-ed in this game were screwed bigtime. Except Spain when it was AI-ed for 7 years.

That option would remove my nonexistant cot in mecklenburg

And yes, ghosting has been disastrous for Sweden and France, we can see the results.

 

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Well, i was ghosted for a big time (missed 2 hours one session), and i missed my Olivares event. I asked Martin to edit it, 2 weeks ago already, and i never had a single answer. That Event really screwed me:

1º diplo points... always help reduce BB points. Not a really painful situation in Spain, but less BB points are always welcome.
2º admin points... i am conquering the azteks and incas, and for christ sake, i need admin points for conversions
3º military point... last war with the OE... lost battles easily because of morale. having these extra points from olivares would make my morale go up 0.25. Which would nulify the turkish morale and make the sides a bit more even. I lost battles - and men, thanks to this event.

Well, when it comes to martmol and edits that he can't do via his handy little program, you may need to "remind" him about it, and sometimes do it yourself. (no offense meant martin, but that is just my experience). Better than complaining afterwards

 

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Well, i was ghosted for a big time (missed 2 hours one session), and i missed my Olivares event. I asked Martin to edit it, 2 weeks ago already, and i never had a single answer. That Event really screwed me:

1º diplo points... always help reduce BB points. Not a really painful situation in Spain, but less BB points are always welcome.
2º admin points... i am conquering the azteks and incas, and for christ sake, i need admin points for conversions
3º military point... last war with the OE... lost battles easily because of morale. having these extra points from olivares would make my morale go up 0.25. Which would nulify the turkish morale and make the sides a bit more even. I lost battles - and men, thanks to this event.

This is an example of what I was talking about. Not the best one perhaps.

BTW, don't forget it's pretty easy to get events to let the monarch-stats drop again. I had them quite frequently after having historical events pushing monarch-stats up.

 

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FAL, why don't you sub for Borga on sunday, if you win against me on a one on one Sweden can get Finland back, if you loose you reveal the secret

No thanks, 9 hours of continous EU2 mp is too much for me

 

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This is an example of what I was talking about. Not the best one perhaps.

BTW, don't forget it's pretty easy to get events to let the monarch-stats drop again. I had them quite frequently after having historical events pushing monarch-stats up.

The random events *cough* are supposed to be *cought* random *cought*