Err... Lappland should barely even be explored in 1419, let alone a level 6 colony. At best I'd put a trade post there.
Mad King James said:Err... Lappland should barely even be explored in 1419, let alone a level 6 colony. At best I'd put a trade post there.
Mad King James said:Err... Lappland should barely even be explored in 1419, let alone a level 6 colony. At best I'd put a trade post there.
because we can fix it easily? Why bother with a Lappland province if it creates all these troubles and ahistorical colonization bonuses? oSven_vegas said:why bother about +1 colonist in that case?
Flame of Udûn said:because we can fix it easily? Why bother with a Lappland province if it creates all these troubles and ahistorical colonization bonuses? o
Flame of Udûn said:Why bother with a Lappland province if it creates all these troubles and ahistorical colonization bonuses? o
Yes. There were very few inhabitants in the interior of Jämtland, so that's why Jämtland is one province and not two. By the same logic Umeå should become the main city of Lappland and thereby merge Västerbotten with Lappland, since Kiruna was a village way below 600 population. Even if Kiruna would be somewhat important, there are other provinces with two rather large cities (Malmö and Lund comes to mind, both were very much larger than Umeå).Sven_vegas said:With easy fix, you mean merge Lappland with something else, or am I wrong?
Flame of Udûn said:Yes. There were very few inhabitants in the interior of Jämtland, so that's why Jämtland is one province and not two. By the same logic Umeå should become the main city of Lappland and thereby merge Västerbotten with Lappland, since Kiruna was a village way below 600 population. Even if Kiruna would be somewhat important, there are other provinces with two rather large cities (Malmö and Lund comes to mind, both were very much larger than Umeå).
Sute]{h said:Anybody mind if I submit a strait between Svealand and Finland? It would give us an idea of how it would work, before the new map comes along.
My thought exactly.Hallsten said:No, not at all. Maybe it can even be included in the next AGCEEP-beta?
Sute]{h said:My thought exactly.
254;342;sea;880;Svealand-Finland-strait
Hallsten said:I understand how you think, but I think it'd be really sad if Lappland goes.
Lappland and Västerbotten were different in many aspects. Västerbotten should be scandinavian and produce lumber, Lappland should be urgic and produce fur.
I know it's not that big a deal, but there's a lot more difference between Lappland and Västerbotten than between Jämtland and Härjedalen.
Moreover, the capital of Lappland should be Lycksele, Arvidsjaur or Jokkmokk. Kiruna has been more than a small village for no longer than about 100 years.
Galleblære said:Of course Sven_Vargas wants that +1 permanent colonist, he no doubt plays Sweden a lot. But leave nationalistic feelings out of this, will ya?
Galleblære said:So what is it than? Lappland with 600 population? I can't believe some people are seriously advocating a "permanent" +1 colonist for Sweden because having a population of 600 unhistorical. I mean, from a game perspective, what is worse? I don't think any player will be bothered that Lappland has 600 population.
"OMG! You frekking n00bs! Lappland is almost a city!!?!!"
Of course Sven_Vargas wants that +1 permanent colonist, he no doubt plays Sweden a lot. But leave nationalistic feelings out of this, will ya? I've already stated that NO Scandinavian nation should have that bonus, at least not for long, and giving a reasonably high population will give the frontier bonus only one real area of use, bringing Lappland up to size if wanted, and possibly any conquered russian colonies.
yourworstnightm said:The problem with +1 colonist is if it's used outside Scandinavia, and Lappland usually become a city way before anyone know anything of the new world (which of course is very ahistorical, but better than the alternative), so I guess my point is I have nothing against a Lappland with too many inhabitnats, and if we're talking PTI why aren't the whole alps PTI and why are Alaska and North Canada even in the game, you seriously don't thin any armies could move there. Why not make that PTI also when we have started already.
I think most people here agrees with that solution.Hallsten said:I think there should be a Lappland with 600pop but no natives. This will add up to the same amount of people when it becomes a city anyway.
Sven_vegas said:Sven Vargas? Maybe you meant vegas...
Im impressed you are not only a devoted Eu2 player, but you are a mindreader to! Little bit flattered that you put some thought and time just to think about me and how I play. OT of course, but still nice, bcz I love to talk about me!
Actually I havent played big european nations since I was a rookie, its to easy, specially with a strong one like for example Sweden, and I im not very bothered that Lappland would have 600 population. I just expressed an opinion that Im even less botherd with frontier bonus. Talk all you like about nationalism, its just as OT as your mindreading games.
Personally I prefer keeping the discussion to real arguments. Which for clearity, you did write to, but you mixed it with bs. nationalism talk. Not very intelligent, IMHO.