Herr Doctor said:Then I suppose Podlasia should be (in Ruthenian) Padlašša (or Padlaszsza)?
Hehe, I had it coming You are right.
BTW. it seems that in English transcripion it should be Podlachia.
Herr Doctor said:Then I suppose Podlasia should be (in Ruthenian) Padlašša (or Padlaszsza)?
i play mymap, there are 4 silesian duchies on map and i never saw dippliannexation in XV century, i saw breaking vassalisation and war, but no diploannexation, but wars were probably becouse bohemia ad core on duchies which i proposed to be removed and added by event if bohemia annexes it or someone else does (i wrote such events and more)zdlugasz said:What I meant is that on the old map was one Silesia and now we have two provinces. I did not want to say that Silesia and Opole have to share the same fate.
Anyway if it is one-province minor and vassal, Bohemia will diploannex them in the middle of XVth century.
Looking at map I have noticed that
- province Ukraina is located in place where Volynia voivodship was
- province Volynia is located in place where one smaller voivodship of Belz and land of Chelm were located
- Ukraina was geographical term, not administrative, there was Kiev voivodship (call it Ukraine proper) and it
encompassed provinces Kiev, Pereyaslav, part of Braclaw (Braclaw on map is too big) eastern part of province
Ukraine, southern part of province Chernigov and Wild Fields "Krementjug", now in Jedysan
my proposal: rename Ukraine to Volynia, Volynia to Belz and make Kiev voivodship 3 provincer western part
(without Kiev), eastern: Pereyaslav and southern "Krementjug".
Western part would include northern strip from Braclav, eastern from Ukraine/Volynia,
and southern strip from Chernigov
zdlugasz said:My suggestion would be to merge Kiev with Pereyaslav and return "Krementjug" giving it name Zaporizhzhia (in Polish Zaporoze, this English transcription of Ukrainian word is f*ing wonderful :wacko: ) or Wild Fields or Zaporozhye using Russian name.
rybka said:i play mymap, there are 4 silesian duchies on map and i never saw dippliannexation in XV century, i saw breaking vassalisation and war, but no diploannexation, but wars were probably becouse bohemia ad core on duchies which i proposed to be removed and added by event if bohemia annexes it or someone else does (i wrote such events and more)
Garbon said:Wild Fields is a province name. I guess it just isn't shown on this fragment.
zdlugasz said:Where it is located? east of Pereyaslav seems to be the only possibility, however should encompass lower run of Dnieper
Eh, I have to wait and see
Anyway west-southern tip of Braclav is supposed to be about 150km from the Black See (along Dniester) and east-southern tip of Braclav (or Zaporozhe or other Lithuanian province on the right bank of Dnieper) is supposed to be about 60 from Black See (along Dnieper), while Ochakov was about 90 from Lithuanian border.
That is why I was expecting to see Black See somewhere at the bottom of map and that is why I am saying that Jedisan is too big.
Btw. what has happened rivers, are they on different layer?
And kind of revenge: Wild Field is Polish name translated to English Long live Polish modders :rofl:
And it should be plural: Fields
Garbon said:Yea, the rivers are just on a different layer. They aren't shown, because as an inheritance of MKJ's map, many of them were shaded in a different color. Until I've set them all straight, I just didn't show them.
chelmno and kuyavia??zdlugasz said:I guess it would be possible to merge two provinces across river (visually) while from the game mechanics point of view it would be located on one bank?
I have two candidates: Kiev and Pereyaslav and second pair: Chelmno and Kuyavia
rybka said:chelmno and kuyavia??
what for? at the start chelmo belongs to teutonic order and kujawia to poland so why do you want to merge them?
zdlugasz said:I know it is supposed to move to Poland in 1466. But also Warmia and Pomerelia. So what the point is? To be super-duper-historically accurate and move 3 instead of 2 provinces? Chelmno (Ziemia Chelminska) is not big (population wise, tax wise with proposed rules will be poor). And if we
rybka said:i would rather merge chelmno and warmia like it is done on kasperus map
note that in chelmo province main city is thorn, in 1466 it was 3 biggest city in poland, after gdansk and krakow, only later population dropped
Mad King James said:Technically Thorn (Chelmno), Danzig (Pomerelia) and Elbing (Warmia) formed a league of cities in 1440 (The Prussian Confederation) and revolted against the Teutonic Order in 1454. It was their request of aid from Poland that got Poland involved in the war in the first place.