New Idea Groups: Part 4 (Brabant, Flanders, Liege + bonus Free City Ideas)

New Idea Groups: Part 4 (Brabant, Flanders, Liege + bonus Free City Ideas)

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I'm back with another installment of my (semi) regular series of posts where I suggest new National Ideas, and this time we're off to Europe.

Brabant
Traditions
- Discipline: +5% / Trade Efficiency: +10%
1) Charter of Liberty - National Tax Modifier: +10%
In 1354 Duke John III of Brabant granted a Joyous Entry to the citizens of Brabant. The six specific freedoms detailed the exact powers the church, the towns and nobles have, which allowed the duke to more easily collect taxes.​
2) Provide Protection to the Lower Classes - National Unrest: -2
Most citizens of Brabant are happy with our rule, thanks to our efforts to improve their situation in the country. We should provide further protection to the peasantry by introducing a set of laws that would only make them subject to the king. This way, we can insure stability in our country.​
3) French Influence - Military Technology Cost: -10%
Our relative proximity to the French means our country is greatly influenced by them. By encouraging our advisors to further study French methods of warfare, our military can benefit.​
4) Welcome the Reformers - Tolerance of Heretics: +2
The Reformation is spreading through Europe at a rapid pace. While close-minded countries around us are crumbling because of their blind loyalty to the church, we can be more open, and welcome the reformers to our nation as well as grant them protection.​
5) Reclaim the Territories of Burgundian Netherlands - Aggressive Expansion Impact: -15%
Burgundy was a fractured country. This feeling of separation amongst the citizenry will make them more prone to conquest, and less resistant to our rule when we make an expansion attempt.​
6) Marsh Warfare - Land Leader Maneuver: +1
The terrain in the Low Countries is dominated by marshes and other unfavourable terrain. By training our generals to better adapt to the hostile terrain we can have more success in the battlefield.​
7) Found the Tilburg University - Possible Advisors: +1
By founding new universities we will ensure everyone gets the education they need, and we get more educated men to work for the state.​
Ambition - Artillery Combat Ability: +15%


Flanders
Traditions
- Land Maintenance Modifier: -10% / Fort Maintenance: -10%
1) Increase Autonomy of Border Cities - Fort Defense: +10%
Flemish autonomous urban centres were instrumental to defeating the French in the Franco-Flemish war. By granting cities on our borders a certain level of autonomy we can ensure they fight for their city and increase our nation's overall protection.​
2) Flemish Trade Partners - Trade Power Abroad: +10% / Trade Range: +10%
Our trade partners are some powerful countries such as England, France and various Italian and Rheinlander states. By maintaining good relations with these countries, as well as establishing trade posts in their lands, we can ensure our trade will flourish.​
3) Cloth Industry - Production Efficiency: +10%
After French invasions, Flanders experienced a period of prosperity with its strong cloth industry. We should fund the cloth-working guilds to increase production, and therefore bring in more income for the state.​
4) Ivory Statues of the Madonna and Child - Yearly Prestige: +1
Our trade routes reach as far as the Indian Ocean. By encouraging our merchants to work with the English and the French, we can get access to ivory. Using this fine material, we will construct statues of the Maddona and Child to make our country more prestigious and strengthen our Catholic ties.​
5) Flemish Nationalism - Hostile Core-Creation Cost on Us: +50%
By encouraging citizens to take pride in their culture and their language, we will make them less tolerant of any invader that attempts to take over our nation and make our territories more difficult to fully integrate.​
6) Refurbish Gravensteen - Yearly Legitimacy: +1
The castle of Gravensteen was built in 1180 by Philip of Alsace located just outside of Ghent. Its condition has deteriorated lately, so much so that it was abandoned as the seat of the nation in the 14th century. We can organize a grand project to renovate the castle to make it grander and more prestigious. Then, it can once again be the glorious seat our nation truly deserves.​
7) Flemish Trading Towns - Caravan Power: +20%
In the 13th century, Flanders was one of the most urbanized areas in Europe. By granting these trading towns more attention, as well as a certain amount of autonomy, we can increase our trade presence in the area.​
Ambition - Land Leader Fire: +1


Liege
Traditions
- Yearly Devotion: +1 / Tolerance of the True Faith: +2
1) Devout Christians - Yearly Papal Influence: +2 / Church Power Modifier: +10%
As a Catholic nation, we have sworn our loyalty to the Pope. We must maintain these good relations and reap the benefits.​
2) Athens of the North - Idea Cost: -10%
In the 11th century, the city of Liège was referred to as Athens of the North. We must use this prestigious status to attract the greatest minds of the generation.​
3) Bonnes Villes - National Unrest: -1
Bonnes villes, the name for our most important cities and cities that are very influential in our nation. We must give in to some of their demands to keep them on our side, even if it doesn't benefit the country.​
4) Empower the Archdeaconries - Stability Cost Modifier: -10%
Our country is grouped into archdeaconries, senior clergy positions in the Church above that of most clergies. By empowering them we can ensure our country stays unified and stable.​
5) The Liege Iron Mines - Infantry Combat Ability: +10%
Whilst our country isn't rich in iron, we have sufficient quantities to supply our own troops, and have a small amount left over to trade to other countries.​
6) The Spanish Road - Diplomatic Relations: +1
Liege was the last link in the chain of Habsburg allies that allowed Spain access from Lombardy to the Spanish Netherlands.​
7) Organize the Feast of the Blessed Sacrament - Prestige Decay: -1%
In 1252, bishop Hugh of Saint-Cher made the feast of the Blessed Sacrament obligatory through his diocese. We should continue organizing this feast throughout the nation.​
Ambition - Cavalry Combat Ability: +10%

I also posted Free City ideas as a comment in one of my previous threads, so I'll copy them here so everyone can see them:

Free City Ideas
Traditions
- Fort Defense: +10% / Land Force Limit Modifier: +25%
1) Urbs Imperialis Libera - Yearly Prestige: +1
The right of being a free city was granted to us by the Emperor himself. We should cherish this prestigious position that we have been given.​
2) Ensure Fair Leadership - Yearly Republican Tradition: +0.5
To ensure our city prospers, we must first run rigorous checks on who runs it. By setting very specific terms on who can and cannot be the Bürgermeister we will ensure that our city's leadership is just and fair.​
3) Ratsverwandte - National Tax Modifier: +10%
Although free cities and their constitution were republican, the government was oligarchic in nature and ruled by a town council composed of the patrician class, called the town council families (ratsverwandte). These families are economically secure and very important, so it would be wise to keep them ruling, at least partially.​
4) Appease the Beisassen - Stability Cost Modifier: -10%
The Beisassen were a lower class of citizen in a free imperial city: small artisans, craftsmen, day laborers and the poor. While the country is run by the rich, it rests on the back of the poor. By appeasing the lower classes we can ensure our country remains stable.​
5) Maintain Relations within the Empire - Diplomatic Reputation: +1
We are a part of the Empire, and a fairly important one at that. By maintaining good relations with the Holy Roman Emperor and other powerful states, we can be sure of our long-term existence.​
6) The Städtebünde - Global Trade Power: +10%
The Städtebünde were city leagues, groups of free cities created to promote and defend their own interests. One notable example of this is the Hanseatic League.​
7) Maintain Agents at the Reichshofrat - May infiltrate administration / Diplomats: +1
The Reichshofrat, or the Aulic Council, was one of two supreme courts in the Empire. It had exclusive jurisdiction in feudal affairs, as well as a number of other important things. As such, many free cities found it profitable to maintain agents at the Aulic Council, to ensure that the judgements made there don't affect the independence of the city, drain the city's treasury, or generally do something against their best interest.​
Ambitions - Morale of Armies: +10%

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Next time I'll be posting three very navy-focused nations, and nations with ideas I quite like: Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily. Coming up after those is most likely a set of three ideas for colonial nations*

*everything subject to me changing my mind
 
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Shouldn't Flanders also get a colonization and naval bonus, instead of the less applicable land maintenance and prestige modifiers?
 

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Shouldn't Flanders also get a colonization and naval bonus, instead of the less applicable land maintenance and prestige modifiers?
Holland got pretty strong naval bonuses, I think it's nice that the different Dutch countries gets slightly different niches, Holland being stronger at trading and naval (with +10% INF CA too).

Perhaps one of the Dutch states, like Flanders which is on the coast, could be a lite colonizer like Portugal. Not sure giving it carpet-colonizer ability like Castile would feel entirely plausible...?

By lite I mean minor increase to 'settler increase' and 'colonial range'. Possibly having a +% settler chance.

Portugal has +15 settler increase, +25% colonial range and +20% global tariffs: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Portugal
Clearly meant to colonize "deep", setting up a colony before anyone else on important strategic places. Perhaps not as many colonial nations but the ones it does get it can squeeze more gold out of without risking revolts (if that were ever an issue).

Carpet colonizer Castile has +1 colonist and +25 settler increase (albeit as ambition) : http://www.eu4wiki.com/Castile
Just paint the map yellow with colonies everywhere that finish quickly, making up for the lack of efficiency Portugal has by quantity instead.
 
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I just found these :rolleyes:. Liege should have Church Power/Yearly Devotion and Tolerance of the True Faith. In Flanders, IMO, replacing production efficiency should replaced with Goods Produced +.10% Makes it more interesting and different.
 

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I'm back with another installment of my (semi) regular series of posts where I suggest new National Ideas, and this time we're off to Europe.
7) Found the Tilburg University - Possible Advisors: +1
By founding new universities we will ensure everyone gets the education they need, and we get more educated men to work for the state.​

Tilburg University was founded in 1927, so I wouldn't include that here. But Leuven is located in Flemish Brabant and its university was founded in 1425! (first university in the Low Countries)

4) Welcome the Reformers - Tolerance of Heretics: +2
The Reformation is spreading through Europe at a rapid pace. While close-minded countries around us are crumbling because of their blind loyalty to the church, we can be more open, and welcome the reformers to our nation as well as grant them protection.

Brabant stayed overwhelmingly Catholic in the end and most of the reformed protestants there migrated to the Northern provinces of the Netherlands. So I'm not sure this would be the most appropriate idea.
 
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I seem to agree with almost none of the Flemish ideas here. I don't get why they get fort bonuses, plus they are not very useful in Flanders' starting position after the new fort mechanics. Also a discipline/infantry strength is more in order than land maintenance bonus. Lastly the leader fire doesn't seem to make any sense. A trade idea is fitting but you've put in two of them and the caravan power seems pretty superfluous. The Flemish arts and cloth industry are on point though.
 

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Brabant stayed overwhelmingly Catholic in the end and most of the reformed protestants there migrated to the Northern provinces of the Netherlands. So I'm not sure this would be the most appropriate idea.
The reformation is more a Flemish thing than a Brabantian one
 
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