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[Calad]

Well this game sucked pretty much. Huge pausing, dissappering players and constantly brain-fucking textflooding really made me regret fewtimes joining. Anyway I wonder if there will be next game thx to hoi3 and summer. If Im in next game I want be mayor nation who can act her own and not worrying will my buddy fail or not.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

Use the -38 scen to make the beginning closer to save 2 sessions and make the game closer to the historical situation.


Modding:


ENG:

GDE reduced from 0,8 to 0,75 to make the UK a bit more sea and air orientated.

Starting MP reduced from 100 to 50

Relative manpower (aka MP growth) 1.0500 to 0,9500

Industrial modifier from 1.0500 to 1.0000

IC peacetime penalty decreased from 60% to 50%

IC peacetime penalty of Canada and Australia removed


FRA:

GDE reduced from 0,8 to 0,65 to prevent a stalemate in France.

Starting MP reduced from 425 to 100

Industrial modifier from 1.1000 to 1.0000


USA:

Peacetime ic mod from 0.2500 to 0.2000


GLOBAL MODDING IN THE MISC FILE:

# How effective is ground-def efficiency when applied to defence chance rolls.	
1.8 to[B] 2.0[/B]

# IC to Supplies ratio
	4.0 to[B] 3.0[/B]

# Combat Modifier: Offensive Combined Arms Bonus
	0.05 to [B]0.25[/B]
# Combat Modifier: Defensive Combined Arms Bonus
	0.15 to [B]0.25[/B]

# Maximum sizes of air-stacks
	8 to [B]8 [/B] (kept the same)

# Damage factor versus Infra from bombing
	0.14 to [B]0.07
[/B]
# Attrition Severity Modifier
	0.05 to [B]0.15[/B]

I will upload the modded misc file, so don't worry about modding this. There might be some changes here though.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

Well this game sucked pretty much. Huge pausing, dissappering players and constantly brain-fucking textflooding really made me regret fewtimes joining. Anyway I wonder if there will be next game thx to hoi3 and summer. If Im in next game I want be mayor nation who can act her own and not worrying will my buddy fail or not.

Damn, you should get Skype to talk about this. But yes, a next game is under planning and we will try to lessen the pauses (it was mostly DvD anyway and looks like he won't be playing anymore).

 

[unmerged(115311)]

Game rules for the 38 campaign :

IMPORTANT !!!!

0.0 : This ruleset doesn't cover all aspects and holes of the game engine. It does just show the historical way to follow. So instead of creating dozens of new rules,the players must agree in playing fair, respecting their opponents and the gameplay, so any unfair action done or going to be done shall be discussed with players that will take the right decision in order to keep a nice way of playing. If a problem is faced, it shall be voted among the players. That decision is final and may be added to the rules!


IMPROVEMENTS AND DOCTRINES

0.1 : Coastal/land forts level max is 5
0.2 : It's forbidden to switch to another land doctrines tree, exception for axis minors that can start with Spearhead doctrine
0.3 : Improvements like airbases, naval bases and radars have to be built in the province concerned by right click on it and not from the production board. Exception : the Flak can be produced in serials and placed freely


SPECIAL RULES

0.1 : Announce peacedeals/annexations/puppettations before conducting them!
0.2 : An Allied/Comitern player isn't allowed to substitute Axis countries and vice versa, unless in EXTREME circumstances
0.3 : Leaving provs behind your advance for a long time to avoid partisans is forbitten
0.4 : Rockets & flying bombs can be build whenever it's possible.
0.6 : Factions Sphere of Influence: They cannot grant each other military access. Their units also cannot behave in function of the other nor operate in theathers which are too close to the other Faction due to political reasons. EU Axis-ASIA Axis and Allies-USSR are the factions mentioned.


TRADES

1.0 : No free trades between ALL humans until both concerned sides are at war, otherwise all trades must be fair and at +60%
1.1 : The well known Supply Trick on AI nations is forbidden
1.2 : The 2nd day of the game Allies and Comintern cannot trade with the following nations (in order to not cripple Axis economics): Holland, Siam, Turkey, Portugal, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Hungaria, Romania, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark.
1.3 : Allies cannot trade for rares during the first month of the game
1.4 :The first trades already in place must be respected till the war between the two sides concerned
1.5 : Allies and Comintern must accept trade deals offered by Axis powers as long as Axis offers supplies
1.6 : Allies and Comintern can ask for supplies providing a ratio of materials also, as stated above or better – but Axis is free to refuse.
1.7 :The Allies/Komintern are allowed to cancel some trades when their new factories put their ressource growth in the negative daily.


SPYS

2.1 : Coups and minister assasinating are not allowed on humans players
2.2 : Stealing techs are the only intelligence operation authorized on AI and MINOR nations (AI isn't able to kill correctly the spies – and having a human minor taking over the AI still means they’ve low anti espionage capability.)


UNITS IN THE FRONT

3.0 : Encircling capitals is forbitten, unless victory is certain right after the encirclement. If the attack fails, the attacker will suffer 2 dissent and the last taken province will be edited to link the capital back.
3.1 : Urban Limit for stacking units is 36. Stacking limit for one prov islands is 4. Stacking limit in Gibraltar is 5, but you can't attack Gibraltar with more than 15 divs.
3.2 : No SR from the frontlines or if you are getting bombed
3.3 : Recycling units(disband) is allowed only if they aren't already encircled,outflanked or being bombed to death
3.4 : Paradroping mission in order to kill/encircle retreating units is forbidden (encirclement means taking the last prov to pocket the troops, they can help with the other provs as long as a ground unit takes the last one)
3.5 : During peace time you must supplie ALL your OWN divisions,air and fleet in your OWNED provincesThe owning nation MUST pay the full supply needed for them. --- Planes and Ships must be kept in supplied bases. Ships cannot be sailed out, planes cannot be kept in airbases without a supply line.


DIPLOMACY

4.1 : No war till Danzig except for events
4.2 : Phoney wars aren't allowed,and when you are able to take last Victory Points or Anex do it quickly
4.3 : You must respect peace treaties and no agression pacts. Cancelling them is forbidden.
4.4 : Selling units is forbiden exception done for starting units in a very limited amount.France or ussr selling armies to anyone, Japan selling BB or CV fleet is considered as an exploit.
4.5 : When you join one Alliance you must stay in till the end
4.6 : Allies-Comitern cannot grant military access to each other
4.7 : One human cannot influence other human without his permission
4.9 : American Nations, aside USA and Canada, must stay neutral until USA joins the Allies. Then Allies and Axis can try to ally them up.
5.0 : You are only allowed to puppet land you have conquered during the war, expect for events. But announce puppettation before doing it!


GERMANY RULES

5.0 : Nationalist Spain can't dow the Allies before Vichy

5.1 : Axis alliances allowed :
-Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy (at any given time), Austria, Argentina, Nationalist Spain (after Vichy), Finland (after the end of Winter War event), Japan (at Pearl Harbour event)

5.2 : Germany must claim Danzig at the event. If by chances, the Poles folds (1%) the game proceeds normally until Axis or Allies DoW the other.

5.3 : R/M pact must go with the historical options. Germany is allowed to dow ussr from april 41 without breaking the pact

5.4 : Germany can break the R/M pact,if he do it bring forward USA entry by 6 months


ITALY RULES

6.1 : Italy can join axis at anytime after anexation of Ethiopia, but must do so before Vichy

6.4 : Italy mustn't accept surrender event when his homeland is invaded (event bugged)


JAPAN RULES

7.0: Japan can't liberate new puppets in China while the war is still going on

7.1 : Japan independent alliances :
-Japan can't ally any Chinese warlord country in the middle earth, Siam is allowed to join Japan at anytime

7.2 : Japan must DOW Nat China at Marco polo bridge event

7.3 : Japan must accept no agression pact with SU at Khalkin Ghol event

7.4 : Tibet, Afghanistan and Sinkiang are neutral nations and may not be DOWed under any circumstances. They may be attacked only if they DOWed the nation which is attacking them. Sinkiang and Tibet can be attacked and annexed only by CHC or CHI in the case Japan is defeated and one of them has won the civil war.

7.5 : Japan cannot DOW Netherlands unless this country is in Allies

7.6 : Japan can DOW Allies at anytime after Vichy event.DoW to Allies, has to be followed by a DoW on USA as well, and vice versa.

7.7 : Japan may not DOW the SU until it has achieved the following strategic objectives: Capture of Guam. Capture of Singapore.Annexation of Philippines. Annexation of Holland.Annexation of Australia.New Zealand, and capture of Hawaii Islands -----OR-----Occupying whole Burma and continental India up to Karachi.

7.8 : Japan must accept surrender event when his homeland is invaded


UK RULES

8.1 : Allies alliances allowed :
-All the countries Axis dow.
-All American Minors after USA joins.

8.2 : Canada, South Afrika, Australian, New Zealand units – of all kind, land air and navy - must stay into their respective homelands until march 40.

8.3 : France Army, Airforce and Navy will be deleted after Vichy Event aside the 3 Divisions which should be created as Free France Force.

8.6 : France units cannot be bought.

8.5 : France must accept Vichy. France player has to disband all its surviving fleet, land units and airforce after the Vichy event, except the 3 divisions created in Afrika.

8.6 : Allies cannot invade Italy until they occupy all Italian holdings in Africa

8.7 : If Allies invade Germany early in game (sept 39->march 40), USA entry date is delayed by 6 months

8.8 : UK is not allowed to have mil access to the pacific minors(Netherland Indies,Australia, New Zealand) and rest of Indonesia until japan enters in war


USA RULES

9.1 : USA cannot be played by an human until it is allowed to join the Allies, or France is defeated

9.2 : USA conditions to enter the Allies :

-USA may join immediatelly the Allies if UK is invaded by Axis
-USA may join immediatelly after Japanese DOW on Allies
-USA may join immediatelly or as soon as his intervetionism allow to do so if axis put a feet in south america,take Bermuda or Greenland
-USA entry is put back by 6 months and +1interventionism by edit if one of the following countries are attacked by Axis->Spain, Baltics, Sweden,Turkey, Switzerland, Saudi Arabia or Persia
-USA entry is put back by 6 months and +1 interventionism by edit if Germany break R/M Pact
-USA entry is delayed by 6 months if Germany is invaded early in game sept 39->march 40

9.3 : USA musn't accept Yamamoto assassination if Pearl Harbour is under Japan hands

9.4: Taiwan OR Iwo Jima have to be captured by the Allies before they can invade Japan.


USSR RULES

10.1 : SU must accept and honor R/M Pact (proposing unholy alliance is forbitten!)

10.2 : R/M go historical (full pact), USSR can dow germany from jan 42. USSR is free to dow any country after annexing Germany

10.3 : Soviet Union is not allowed to dow any minor except Finland by event, baltics minors have to be annexed by territory claims

10.4 : SU must wait and accept End of Winter WAR event and take his owned provinces,in the other hand if SU want to Bring Socialism,NAP is broken and germany can DOW USSR from april 40 without any penalty. If Sweden participates in the Winter War and the USSR invades Sweden, Germany is free to dow USSR at any time!

10.5 : Su must accept Bitter Peace event and honor terms of treaty


NAT CHINA RULES

11.1 : China must accept peace event with Clan Guangxi

11.2 : China must not DOW chinese warlords in purpose to increase his IC before or during war with Japan

11.3 : China must go for historical human wave land doctrine

11.4 : China must not recieve any units, mass supplies or mass resources via trades or negotiations by players


NB

If one of these rules isn't respected by one player the game will be SAVED and this player will get DISSENT by the edit of the save – plus the exploit could be fixed, and other punishment could be found for game crippling rule breaking issues or clear exploiting (like selling VP provs to avoid annexation, or like a Poland landing in Tripoli)

R/M ->ribbentrop molotov pact in 24 august 39
DOW->declaration of war
SR->strategic redeployment
NAP->no agression pact

 

[DvD-IT]

Damn, you should get Skype to talk about this. But yes, a next game is under planning and we will try to lessen the pauses (it was mostly DvD anyway and looks like he won't be playing anymore).

Except I was mostly pausing/waiting for Spain to retreat its troops.

With these rules I might reconsider joining.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

Except I was mostly pausing/waiting for Spain to retreat its troops.

Pausing is pausing, no matter what you do, sorry.

With these rules I might reconsider joining.

Then get on Skype, eh?

 

[unmerged(81877)]

I want to mention one thing, that how many times i have played 38 scen axis allways won and won very easy, so i dont think that such big ic and mp reduction to allies is needed, maybe lets lower them

 

[unmerged(117099)]

Modding:


ENG:

GDE reduced from 0,8 to 0,75 to make the UK a bit more sea and air orientated.

MP reduced from 100 to 50

Relative manpower (aka MP growth) 1.0500 to 0,9500

Industrial modifier from 1.0500 to 1.0000

IF you make such things to Uk manpower it is going to run out very soon and UK cant act on his own on any front until early 1942.
Its not Uks fault Germany had no plans for defence.

+ I would like to try a major. Any major is fine except France/USA. And we using 38 scenario?

 

[unmerged(62478)]

I take France.

 

[unmerged(117099)]

If every major is taken and Storm probly the 1000000th million time on SU again.

Can I even have China? Cause I was in this last game from 1936 and infromed when I couldn´t make it.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

ENG: Calad

GER: Nazi_Lt

SOV: Storm

FRA: Delex

USA: Hebelecan

JAP: Beladriel

CHI: Slaughter

ITA: Cawx

SPA:

HUN: Gregory

ROM:

CAN:

BRA: Slaughter?

AST: FriskNZ?

 

[unmerged(115311)]

IF you make such things to Uk manpower it is going to run out very soon and UK cant act on his own on any front until early 1942.
Its not Uks fault Germany had no plans for defence.

+ I would like to try a major. Any major is fine except France/USA. And we using 38 scenario?

Well that is basically the idea that UK can't do much in -42 except in Africa. UK can mount huge airpower and can easily invade 3 div guarded beaches with sea and air support. But if you really want so, I can lower the penalties (which are already extremely small, 5% or so)...


No GDE changes

MP reduced from 100 to 50

Relative manpower (aka MP growth) 1.0500 to 1,0000

Industrial modifier from 1.0500 to 1.0000

 

[Calad]

I can be UK but I really hope few minions for me aka Canada and Aussies.

And if you want make a deal then: Im fine with penalties but plz lover pt ic-penalty, it is 60% and I cant even produce all of my ships which are under construction.

 

[unmerged(115311)]

I can be UK but I really hope few minions for me aka Canada and Aussies.

Don't worry, I think we can get them filled.

And if you want make a deal then: Im fine with penalties but plz lover pt ic-penalty, it is 60% and I cant even produce all of my ships which are under construction.

Ok, I could lower it to 50% then.

 

[Beladriel]

Banzai! Good to see my country is colored this time!

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Well that is basically the idea that UK can't do much in -42 except in Africa. UK can mount huge airpower and can easily invade 3 div guarded beaches with sea and air support. But if you really want so, I can lower the penalties (which are already extremely small, 5% or so)...


No GDE changes

MP reduced from 100 to 50

Relative manpower (aka MP growth) 1.0500 to 0,1000

Industrial modifier from 1.0500 to 1.0000

UK manpower growth is sunk from 105% to 10%? You know that with that manpower growth, many minor nations have more manpower growth then that.

Its ok if you take away some thing but so much.

What should the allies do anyway?

And uk should atleast be able to defend itself before a german invasion of uk.

 

[Juan_de_Marco]

what version are you guys playing?
still ARMA? haven't got that. What I have is DD1.3 w/ DAIM currently installed.

 

[hebelecan]

Never mind

 

[unmerged(115311)]

UK manpower growth is sunk from 105% to 10%? You know that with that manpower growth, many minor nations have more manpower growth then that.

Its ok if you take away some thing but so much.

What should the allies do anyway?

And uk should atleast be able to defend itself before a german invasion of uk.

Ok, fixed. It will only be sunk 5%. UK should be able to defend well, such 5% changes won't do much. But I would like the UK to be directed more towards naval and air, instead of land. GDE and MP will help with that...

what version are you guys playing?
still ARMA? haven't got that. What I have is DD1.3 w/ DAIM currently installed.

Sorry, you need Arma.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Ok, fixed. It will only be sunk 5%. UK should be able to defend well, such 5% changes won't do much. But I would like the UK to be directed more towards naval and air, instead of land. GDE and MP will help with that...

Sorry, you need Arma.

OK 5% it is. 100% lowering, you wanna cripple a nation :rofl:.