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Ok, the game is up in valky, so gogo, will be started at 1930! :D

Crimson, welcome aboard! If there is a free spot now, you get in. But I'll add you to the list after the game anyway.
 
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Oy Delex, mail me the pics and a text file with the events that happened down there.
 

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An amazing game... that's all I can say for now. Will post the screens tomorrow. ;)
 

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A great session and I could say that you missed a lot of stuff. :D ...But check the AAR. I'll upload the save on the frontpage too.
 

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Yea, noticed it too. Weird, why he got banned now... maybe the mods checked this topic or he spammed another one. Who knows...
 

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Not so sure if I can make it next Saturday. But I might be available at 2100 GMT +2.
Ok, we could take you in after that, if you're sure that you will be coming then. Might give HUN for someone for 2 hrs if someone wants it. Better than the AI, yea? ;)
 

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Ok, I think a little reorganizing of the countries might be in place. Thought this for a while and might make things a bit more simple. We have 12 spots for countries and they should be divided into groups...


With China down, we have 6 major powers. These are ofc ENG, GER, SOV, FRA/USA, JAP & ITA. These countries should survive for several sessions, like France and US counts as a one country for these purposes.

Then we have 4 medium powers, two of them Axis and two of them Allied. CAN, AUS, ROM & HUN. These are aligned medium powers, when they have something between 40-80 modified IC, at least that's what I think. These countries should survive for several session too, unless Japan gets Australia or the Red Army crushes Romania. ;)

So with 6 majors and 4 mediums, that leaves us 2 wildcard countries. Yes, these will be kinda wildcards, the countries might be switched very quickly, be high or low-IC countries... it differs. Anyway Pegasus wishes to be Spain, so that makes one 50 IC country. If you have looked at the rules for Spain joining the war, it will be quite hard to join, unless the Axis dow Spain. But this is very speculative and we'll have to see what happens to France in the next session and will the Axis blitz all the way to Gibraltar. One simple rule might be that Spain joins the side whoever controls France on January -41. This might be a bit too simple, like Republican Spain joining the Axis, it should align with the Allies, coz the Republicans won the war and the Axis supported the Nationalists... but it can be discussed.

Anyway this leaves us with 1 nation. We have 13 players on the country list and 12 is the limit. We have Delex'es Commie China trying to stall the inevitable Japanese conquest of China and Finland trying to stall the Red Army with Swedish help. :p ...Both are going down, I guess. But the question is which country do we keep or do we keep either of them? Honestly I can say that Finland is going down under my masses of infantry and bombers. My army is advancing on all fronts and the Finnish are retreating, honestly. So it might not be much use to keep Finland for the next session, coz it will probably get puppeted in one month anyway. Communist China has lots of terrain and still their forts, so with good luck they might hold out for a year. Or could Delex broker some sort of deal with the Japanese? We have good nations like Bulgaria and Brazil left. Bulgaria had about 20-30 IC maybe, but with the cores it might rise between 30-40 IC, althrough I have the impression that it won't get Constanta. Brazil on the other hand had about 50 IC when I last checked, so not bad.


Also we have to reach an agreement on two things before the next session, China and Sweden.

As you know, Hatuke switched to Canada. Nationalists are getting annexed soon and the others will follow. So Japan has some options, made up some of them and I'm not sure of the event paths either.

1. Total Occupation of China: Ok, I guess nobody has anything against this. Japan gets more IC, resources and MP, but LOTS of partisans and TC load.

2. A puppet China: So... this had caused a lot of debate. Japan might keep the IC rich coast and leave the inland to a puppet China that will spam massive amounts of infantry, that will be a huge problem in India and Burma, once the time comes. Japan will be extremely powerful to strike the Pacific.

3. A puppet UNALLIED China: This might be a compromise. Japan still gets the puppet resources (over 1k stockpiles) from China and keeps the beaches. Little partisans and some IC, but not a huge Chinese army. I think this might be the historical option, coz IRL Japan planned to keep the coast and give the inland to loyal warlords. Most of those warlords wouldn't have supported the Japanese at attacking India and Burma though. I think this is a somewhat fair option, Japan gets a nice amount of IC and little partisans, but has to fight with her own army.

4. Divide China with the commies: I think Delex asked Juspe something like this in the chat in the last session. Japan and Communist China make a peace after the Nationalists are annexed. I have no idea how the lands would be divided and would the commies be allied with Japan or anything. An alliance might sound weird, but so did the R-M pact when it was done.

So yeah, lots of ideas and stuff, but those are really important for the game balance. If we can't reach an agreement, then we'll have to vote. ;)


If that wasn't enough, there is still Sweden that went against me in the Winter War. So owning Sweden is no problem, but what to do with it is...

During the last session I was told that annexing/puppeting Sweden might be unfair for the Germans? Well, the Germans allied with HUN and ROM early and invaded Yugoslavia in -39. Is that unfair for me? I don't ask that I could puppet or annex them, but surely I will get something out of this?

I will go with bring socialism in the Winter War, so maybe if Germany won't dow me in -40 in exchange for leaving Sweden alone? This isn't much, because I think France won't fall that easy that Germany could still deploy to the east in time and dow me, but better than nothing, I guess. Other options might be that Germany won't invade Norway (not sure if they will get past the Royal Fleet anyway), won't trade with Sweden and won't get military access through Sweden. So nothing big you see, but some small tweaks might be interesting.

So what do you guys think? We have to decide this together uknow... :D
 
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Im going for the historical option on the china question, not because im in the Allies, because its more reasonable ...

As for Swedes its a possible outcome so Germans and Commies can have their deal its between 2 of them and we should stay out of it

These are my thoughts and suggestions not the rules ofc
 

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No. IN YOUR DREAMS! Shout it!

So, there are two issues: China and Scandinavia. Abour the latter, I'm not sure what kind of compromise we could find, especially considering this would be unfair to Germany, as you had already pointed out. About China, there are only two equilibrate choices: 1) and 3), that is, ANNEX China, or release an UNALLIED PUPPET. I think it should be at discretion of the Japanese player to choose between the two.

If you choose option 1), you get a far higher IC base but a horrendous TC and billions of partisans.
If you choose option 2), you don't get as much IC but you're free to maneuver out of Chinese borders without partisans. In the end, whatever you choose, there MUST be drawbacks in every choice - a choice that has no negative effects on Japan is just unfair.
 

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So, there are two issues: China and Scandinavia. Abour the latter, I'm not sure what kind of compromise we could find, especially considering this would be unfair to Germany, as you had already pointed out.
If an event won't make a peace, then I could just puppet Sweden and kick her out of my alliance. That won't really hurt anyone and it is the easiest option of getting rid of that crazy Sweden. Maybe it's a little realistic too, like the Soviets wouldn't actually make Sweden a part of the Comitern (it's outside the R-M pact area anyway). But the Soviets should have a little influence there, althrough the government wouldn't exactly be stalinist, but for gameplay purposes it is the easiest option.

About China, there are only two equilibrate choices: 1) and 3), that is, ANNEX China, or release an UNALLIED PUPPET. I think it should be at discretion of the Japanese player to choose between the two.

If you choose option 1), you get a far higher IC base but a horrendous TC and billions of partisans.
If you choose option 2), you don't get as much IC but you're free to maneuver out of Chinese borders without partisans. In the end, whatever you choose, there MUST be drawbacks in every choice - a choice that has no negative effects on Japan is just unfair.
What about the Chinese surrender event, what happens there? I have no idea, only played Japan in WiF anyway... :D

Option 2) means that Japan annexes China(s) and then puppets National China? Ok, Japan will get a little dissent, that's realistic, but... China will get all it's cores, so it gets Taiwan too? It's not a Japanese core and ofc Japan won't get the coast either then. Japan won't have a shortage of raw materials, because the puppet China supplies them, even when not allied with Japan. I can live with Japan losing the coast, but Taiwan and Japanese controlled Manchuria? I think it's too much... actually the whole thing doesn't make any sense then if China gets it's cores on Japanese land. That will happen, right? When you liberate a puppet, it gets all the cores that it has on your land, unless that land is your core as well.

But hopefully that event chain will work, so it will do the real stuff. I recall that the events might make an allied puppet China in the interior, but Japan can always kick her out of the alliance...

But there is still a war going on in China, so maybe we have to see what happens in the next session and decide after that.


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Oh yes, maybe I was a bit too harsh.
The Red Army advancing to Romania shall liberate the Romanian workers that join the Red Army!
 

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The event will fire in a month, I tested it.

And i will make a decision between 1) and 3) before the saturdays game. No problemos.


What comes to the case Sweden, i think u should just take the historical option in ending the winter war, that will bring peace between u and Sweden (happend when i tested the china event), or force Sweden to white peace.
 

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The event will fire in a month, I tested it.

And i will make a decision between 1) and 3) before the saturdays game. No problemos.
Ok, good, np. :)


What comes to the case Sweden, i think u should just take the historical option in ending the winter war, that will bring peace between u and Sweden (happend when i tested the china event), or force Sweden to white peace.
I will just settle for the border lands because I want peace with Sweden? No, it would be a big mistake to leave Finland there to join the Axis, when I can easily make it my puppet. :D

Force Sweden to a white peace, what do you mean? I'll invade Sweden and then start asking for white peace hoping that it will accept it? The AI is very stupid with peace deals, so there are no guarantees that they would accept the offer, even when I have entire Sweden under occupation. So how about make it a puppet and kick it out of the alliance? I could even release the puppet if the players want to, we'll just have a stalinist Sweden there. But what does Sweden even matter if it's not allied with anyone? Let it just sit there, who cares...

I could edit the save and remove Sweden from the war, but I wouldn't like to touch a 12 player multi save, who knows what might go wrong... :D

So an unallied puppet Sweden... like China? Sounds fair to me. ;)
 
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