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Stonewall said:
No need to go personal on me Specter. I don't think anybody is stupid. I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. Thank you. :)
I'm really struggling to find another reason for your continuous posting of such BS - everything from holland has defeated the OE to PP and I are powergaming/gangbanging you. Either you think people will eventually believe it or you're just trying to get me riled up.


You've been talking about calling Russia all day, since your first post. Have I misunderstood?
Yes you have. PP said that he'd help me if I called him (and then you jumped on that claiming powergaming). Up til that point I hadn't even mentioned Russia, and afterwards I only pointed out his capability to take Shanghai.


But since the OE has yet to respond to any of our suggestions of merchant limitations and/or purchasing of trading rights...
Mostly because you didn't make any such suggestions... well except this one:

I'll be there tomorrow. And the Ottomans are going to be getting a DoW if they don't lift their embargo.

BTW Daed, don't forget Masirah to Persia...
 

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Specterx said:
I'm really struggling to find another reason for your continuous posting of such BS - everything from holland has defeated the OE to PP and I are powergaming/gangbanging you. Either you think people will eventually believe it or you're just trying to get me riled up.

Specter, I think you are taking things WAY too seriously. I've been talking about this because I enjoy propoganda and because I though it was fun and lighthearted and built excitement between sessions. Hence my massive use of the smileys. Obviously I was very wrong. It seems you take everything said here very seriously.

Yes you have. PP said that he'd help me if I called him (and then you jumped on that claiming powergaming). Up til that point I hadn't even mentioned Russia, and afterwards I only pointed out his capability to take Shanghai.

I've never complained about anyone powergaming. I simply asked what the primary purpose of the game was and how people were playing. I never jumped on anyone about that as its a very very legitimite tactic. I should have asked when I joined the game, but alas, I didn't. Stop taking things so seriously.

Mostly because you didn't make any such suggestions... well except this one:

Thats just not true. I would ask you to go back through and find the couple posts where I talked about paying for access (actually proposed by Taelyn I think) or about limiting my merchant presence in your CoT's. They are certainly there. Maybe in the AAR and diplomacy thread as well.

But to be honest, its clear that you have taken personally, this little verbal jousting that I thought was all in good fun. So be it. The propoganda ends. I was just trying to build some excitement in between sessions. Oh well, no more of that. Back to the same old boring crap that always goes on between sessions in most MP games. Have a nice Wednesday.
 

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Fun

In order to lighten the mood a little, I came across the World Factbook tool. Its an amazingly fun toy that writes up summaries of countries. Here's what the factbook has to say about 1683 Poland in our game. Below the thing on Poland is the 1683 World Rankings. Quite a fun little tool the world factbook is. And boy is Poland pathetic too.

It looks better in the original HTML. I'm wary of putting that up because it displays a lot of information that many people may not want out.

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Poland's Background
to Poland Geography

During a period of disunity the Teutonic Knights gained a foothold in the then pagan north of Poland. Their power was only broken by their defeat at the hands of Polish-Lithuanian forces at Tannenberg in 1410 and by the second treaty of Torun in 1466 they became vassals of the Polish kings. Jadwiga, daughter to Louis I of Hungary and queen of Poland, then married Ladislaus Jagiello, the Grand Duke of Lithuania who became king of Poland as Ladislaus II. The nations of Poland and Lithuania were now united under one king and one religion as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Commonwealth was an immensely powerful state, which would probably have pacified all of eastern Europe had it not been for its great inherent instability. It was an elective monarchy where all of the great nobles had the right of veto in the Sejm. This 'liberum veto' effectively paralyzed Poland-Lithuania at times when it could not afford it, and led to its eventual destruction at the hands of the Russians, Prussians and Austrians in the three partitions of Poland.

People of Poland consider these 20 provinces the core of their nation:
Mazovia, Podlasia, Podolia, Galizien, Krakow, Wielkopolska, Danzig, Hinterpommern, Poznan, Tula, Welikia, Belarus, Smolensk, Kursk, Mozyr, Lithuania, Volyn, Chernigov, Ukraina, Belgorod.

More background information on Poland maybe available from historical scripts our agent were able to gather in . here.



Poland's Geography
to Poland Diplomacy

Poland consists of the following province(s):
Mazovia , Podlasia , Podolia , Galizien , Krakow , Wielkopolska , Danzig , Poznan , Memel , Prussia , Livland , Küstrin , Ruthenia , Hinterpommern , Kurland , Jedisan , Welikia , Polotsk , Belarus , Mozyr , Lithuania , Volyn , Chernigov , Ukraina , Poltava , Krementjug , Crimea , Kaffa , Moldova , Wallachia , Bujak , Cyprus .

Click on link(s) above to get some detailed info on these 32 provinces.Of these 32 are cities


Number of provinces with following facility(es) in place (in progress)
Bailiff --- 28(1)
Courthouse --- 27(1)
Governors --- 32(0)
Art Galleries --- 1
Refinaries --- 1
Goods Manufactories --- 2
Weapons Manufactories --- 4
Very small forts --- 9
Small forts --- 20
Medium forts --- 3



Poland's Diplomacy
to Poland Policies


The nation of Poland is part of the Papal States military alliance, consisting of Papal States, France, Poland and Hessen. The alliance existed since october of 1608 and is expected to last until february, 1693.
Proceed to alliance ratings

Poland secured royal marriage with Austria. The marriage was celebrated in april of 1660 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until april, 1685.

Poland secured royal marriage with Papal States. The marriage was celebrated in april of 1660 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until april, 1685.

Poland secured royal marriage with Portugal. The marriage was celebrated in may of 1667 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until may, 1692.

Poland secured royal marriage with Spain. The marriage was celebrated in december of 1667 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until december, 1692.

Poland secured royal marriage with France. The marriage was celebrated in august of 1668 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until august, 1693.

Poland secured royal marriage with Sweden. The marriage was celebrated in february of 1681 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until february, 1706.

Poland secured royal marriage with Netherlands. The marriage was celebrated in november of 1681 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until november, 1706.

Poland secured royal marriage with England. The marriage was celebrated in november of 1681 and the effects of this event will probably be felt until until november, 1706.

Poland is considered to be a very peaceful nation. World community is very relaxed towards Poland.

From may 1674 Poland is ruled by noble Jan III Sobieski.
Our agents rank Jan III Sobieski as:

Administrative skills = 5.
Diplomatic skills = 4.
Military skills = 9.
on The Holy Monarch scale.


Poland has 42 Embassies around the world with Average Diplomatic Relation value of -37.





Poland's closest friends: France Austria Spain Papal States
Poland's dear friends: Portugal The Knights Cologne Eire Oldenburg
Poland's friends: Münster Dakota
Neutral to Poland's cause: England Netherlands Sweden Kleves Hannover Hessen Mysore Saxony Nubia Mainz Ethiopia Strassburg
Poland's enemies: Afghanistan Baluchistan
Poland's worst enemies: Russia Ottoman Empire Algiers Morocco Persia The Palatinat Scotland Nippon Mughal Empire Brandenburg Nogai Uzbek Kaganate Khazak Horde Benin Zimbabwe Taungu Chagatai Khanate


Poland's Government Policies
to Poland Economy


Poland is highly centralized. National government influences are felt in all provincial matters.

Poland emphasized rights as something that should apply to all citizens here.

Poland spent 0% of its last year budget in improving national stability.
Currently Poland has stability rating of 1.



Poland's Economy
to Poland People


With 17 merchant operations Poland has a very strong trading base.

Poland current national treasury is estimated at 361.701,00 ducats. Inflation is 0.038%.

0% of last year's budget was spent on trade related research.
0% of last year's budget was spent on infrastructure related research.

Poland's main trading partners are:
England Russia Spain

Poland reached trade level of 4.
Poland reached infrastructure level of 7.

These 1 major trading hub(s) are located under Poland's jurisdiction:
Danzig

Poland's economy is concentrated on the production of the following goods:
Cloth (485.4 tons)
Navigation supplies (301 tons)
Wine (283.3 tons)
Wool (1000.9 tons)
Grain (1917.5 tons)
Salt (485.4 tons)
Iron (283.3 tons)



Poland's People
to Poland Military


Culturaly, Poland's roots are mainly "polish". However, "ruthenian" culture is represented as well..
Poland follows catholic religion.

In particular :

2 provinces or about 5% of the population follow Protestant religion.
27 provinces or about 85% of the population follow Catholic religion.
3 provinces or about 8% of the population follow Orthodox religion.

With 96546 inhabitants Danzig in Danzig province is the largest city in Poland.



Poland's Military
to Poland Disputes


A land based country, Poland is determine to maximize the land warfare while virtually ignoring the naval technologies. Thus land units are cheap to train but naval is expensive. Also, Navy's moral suffers.

Additional 146.686 people are fit and available for military service in Poland.

Currently Army's expenses are covered 50% in Poland.
Currently Navy's expenses are covered 50% in Poland

Last year 0% of the budget was spend on researching new military technologies for Poland's Navy.
Last year 90.2% of the budget was spend on researching new military technologies for Poland's Army.


There are some indicators that Poland has gotten military passage rights from the following nations:
France Austria
Poland have some distingushed military leaders.
Among them is(are) (fire/shock/movement):
monarch Jan Sobieski (3/5/3)

Poland have some distingushed military leaders.
Among them is(are) (fire/shock/movement):
general Jablonowski (3/3/1)

Poland have some distingushed military leaders.
Among them is(are) (fire/shock/movement):
general Patkul (2/1/4)


Poland reached land technology level of 26.
Poland reached naval technology level of 13.

According to our agents Poland Army has 2964 footsoldiers, 57824 cavalryman and 42 artillery units.
Poland Navy has 28 warships, 0 smaller galleys and 34 transport ships.

Military records show a total of 296823 infantry 385921 cavalry 197 artillery 4 warships 16 galleys and 2 transports have been lost in combat in Poland since its existance as a nation.
Military records show a total of 363726 infantry 251186 cavalry 27 artillery 15 warships 15 galleys and 0 transports have been lost to attrition in Poland since its existance as a nation.
Military records show a total of 148149 infantry 54087 cavalry 186 artillery 0 warships 0 galleys and 0 transports have been disbanded in Poland since its existance as a nation.



Poland's Disputes
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Russia has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Welikia province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Russia claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Welikia are: (if any)



Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Jedisan province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Jedisan are: (if any)



Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Podolia province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Podolia are: (if any)



Brandenburg has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Küstrin province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Brandenburg claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Küstrin are: (if any)



Austria has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Ruthenia province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Austria claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Ruthenia are: (if any)

Ottoman Empire


Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Moldova province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Moldova are: (if any)



Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Bujak province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Bujak are: (if any)



Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Wallachia province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Wallachia are: (if any)



Ottoman Empire has a dispute with Poland regarding the status of Cyprus province. Possibly other crowns consider this province an integral part of their nation and the validity of Ottoman Empire claims are then debatable. Other nations that may have claims to Cyprus are: (if any)


Poland has a dispute with Russia regarding the status of Smolensk province. Poland considers this province an integral part of their country and vehemently lobbies for it to be returned to them. Poland diplomats note that Russia has no legal claims to this province and this view is broadly supported by the rest of the world.

Poland has a dispute with Russia regarding the status of Belgorod province. Poland considers this province an integral part of their country and vehemently lobbies for it to be returned to them. Poland diplomats note that Russia has no legal claims to this province and this view is broadly supported by the rest of the world.


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1. Spain(94) - 100%
2. England(99) - 45%
3. Ottoman Empire(114) - 0%
4. China(115) - 100%
5. France(133) - 82%
6. Netherlands(138) - 55%
7. Denmark(151) - 9%
8. Mughal Empire(184) - 36%
9. Sweden(186) - 36%
10. Austria(187) - 73%
11. Russia(196) - 64%
12. Portugal(211) - 36%
13. Poland(238) - 73%
14. Brandenburg(243) - 36%
15. Venice(314) - 45%
16. Manchu(319) - 36%
17. Mysore(324) - 55%
18. Vijayanagar(324) - 64%
19. Savoy(343) - 36%
20. Scotland(350) - 36%
21. Tibet(352) - 82%
22. Songhai(357) - 73%
23. Kongo(363) - 55%
24. Persia(366) - 18%
25. Ethiopia(369) - 55%

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Alliances power table


Spain alliance consisting of:
Spain (1) Austria (10) Savoy (19)
Total Alliance Power => 117

Ottoman Empire alliance consisting of:
Ottoman Empire (3) Mughal Empire (8)
Total Alliance Power => 87

France alliance consisting of:
France (5) Kleves (32) Netherlands (6)
Total Alliance Power => 104

Tibet alliance consisting of:
Tibet (21) Myanmar (47)
Total Alliance Power => 30

China alliance consisting of:
China (4) Arakan (38) Hyderabad (28) Vijayanagar (18)
Total Alliance Power => 108

England alliance consisting of:
England (2) Scotland (20)
Total Alliance Power => 76

Poland alliance consisting of:
Poland (13) Denmark (7) Prussia (26) Courland (30) Brandenburg (14)
Total Alliance Power => 155

Nogai alliance consisting of:
Nogai (27) Khazak Horde (46)
Total Alliance Power => 25
 

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Habsburg said:
A frigging BOURBON sits on the Spanish thrones. Please forgive me if I can't get into character. Please forgive me if I have the doldrums, and can not pitch a fit this week.

A Bourbon. :(

To my dear Nephew:

We rejoice in your newly acquired title, and are waiting our rightful gift as a compensation for the heavy diplomatic activity that we did to bring you to the throne. We have a list of CoTs that we would accept, or if you prefer, an annual payment would be accepted.

Also we have to figure what we will do with the Austrian menace that lingers in the west.

Signed:
Your new best ally
The Monarch of France.
 

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Cool, how did you do it? It looks like it was done by some small program. Did you type all this manualy to look like this? I don't get the last part about allince power. Is OE with Russia or not?
 

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File

Actually I just cut and paste it from the HTML file generated by the PERL factbook tool, you can find it in the useful tools thread on the scenarios forum. Its quite impressive.

As for the alliances, remember I used an old save. I guess that was before the Russia-Ottoman alliance for some reason.

I'm not entirely sure what alliance power means exactly, and it may not be accurate given all the changes during the betas.
 

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JEscobar said:
It seems that PE is taking revenge on our game.

He still is missing one rule:
- If any player nation is played by the AI, that player has the right to feel offended and quit the game. :D

rotflmao!!!
 

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Stoney, don't quit the tittie tweeking my man!!

these last 3 pages have been a blast to read - the mental image of a Dutch diplomat w/a big feather in his hat who happens to be a midget (don't ask:)) tanding in front of the Sultan & Tzar talking smak is just filling me w/the urge to giggle uncontrollably :)

if Spec takes it personally, that's his choice (I don't think he is though, I just think he's an intense guy)... PP is the closest thing to a powergamer our little group has ever had (once PE left ;) what's up w/those P guys :rofl: ) and even that isn't saying he is a powergamer - he is just aggressive w/in the rules & spirit of the game - he's an excellent addition to a group such as the one we have here in my opinion. the game w/o him would not be the same.

you have added a nice flavor to it as well - keeps the blood hot & the beer cold. :D

a couple of observations on the situation:
1) OE is the aggressor - he embargoed the Dutch
2) OE is justified in calling Russia if he feels he needs help (the help being either tactical or strategic or political)
3) the Dutch would be justified in calling Sweden
4) sweden would be smart in accepting w/the understanding w/russia they'll sit quitely on their frozen ponds watching cows the whole war :)
5) the rest of Europe would be justified in getting involved should OE or Russia land troops in dutch european provinces (would not understand if they didn't - just something about turks beating the living stuffing out of europeans that should make em mad :))
6) Russia would pro'bly also embargo the Dutch (not sure what effect this would have on dutch eco, pro';bly not much)
7) the war and fallout would be a laugh riot to read :D

keep it civil gentlemen & come out swinging when the bell rings!!!
 

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Actually I just cut and paste it from the HTML file generated by the PERL factbook tool, you can find it in the useful tools thread on the scenarios forum. Its quite impressive.

As for the alliances, remember I used an old save. I guess that was before the Russia-Ottoman alliance for some reason.

I'm not entirely sure what alliance power means exactly, and it may not be accurate given all the changes during the betas.


So we will assume El Gran Alliance lives? Or is was that broken up during my absence? :confused:
 

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As far as i know El Gran Alliance still lives.

You might also be rejoiced that your western neighbour recently became a vassal of the English crown.
 

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Lethke said:
As far as i know El Gran Alliance still lives.

You might also be rejoiced that your western neighbour recently became a vassal of the English crown.

Portugal is a English vassal? :confused:
 

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Esco,
This Austrian menace thing is starting to get a little stale dont you think:) Cant you guys concentrate on each other for a while:) That post to Habs was probably one of the funniest things I have seen on this thread considering how much he has made fun of the Bourbons. Please feel free to give Habs grief whenever you want:)

Stonewall,
After my dealings with Specterx, I find him to be slightly intense to say the least:D I dont think he is as upset as his words might make him seem. Spec, if I am putting words in your mouth just say so.

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Could someone please send me the save?? I have a couple of things I really need to look at.
 

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Propoganda is one thing. Endlessly repeating the same misrepresentations grates on my nerves, especially when randomly interspersed with decidedly un-RP-like allegations of powergaming, gangbanging, threats to "ruin the game" for our three countries. Hard to tell what's RP and what's not, don't you think? Not that it matters a whole deal. Much easier simply to address people directly.

And its really annoying to come here and read nothing but OE is beating up on Holland (or scared of holland, depending apparently on the time of day), etc etc etc. If you want to write creative stuff or whatever fine w/ me, that's what the AAR thread is for. I suppose I've always assumed that this thread is for facts while the other is for whatever you want to write.
 

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Propoganda is one thing. Endlessly repeating the same misrepresentations grates on my nerves, especially when randomly interspersed with decidedly un-RP-like allegations of powergaming, gangbanging, threats to "ruin the game" for our three countries. Hard to tell what's RP and what's not, don't you think? Not that it matters a whole deal. Much easier simply to address people directly.

And its really annoying to come here and read nothing but OE is beating up on Holland (or scared of holland, depending apparently on the time of day), etc etc etc. If you want to write creative stuff or whatever fine w/ me, that's what the AAR thread is for. I suppose I've always assumed that this thread is for facts while the other is for whatever you want to write.
I have to agree. Some of Stony posts were mixing RP and Personal stuff. I have no problem with RP in AAR and bashing there RUS or anyone else. But compleinging here about bashing is not good ;) And I said this as a PP not as a Tsar!!! :D
 

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if Spec takes it personally, that's his choice (I don't think he is though, I just think he's an intense guy)... PP is the closest thing to a powergamer our little group has ever had (once PE left ;) what's up w/those P guys :rofl: ) and even that isn't saying he is a powergamer - he is just aggressive w/in the rules & spirit of the game - he's an excellent addition to a group such as the one we have here in my opinion. the game w/o him would not be the same.

Oh Hojo you make me sooooo happy :D but why do you call me "powergamer" :confused: