• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Aetius

Nitpicker
15 Badges
Jan 11, 2001
9.204
1
Visit site
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Sengoku
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • 500k Club
  • Hearts of Iron II: Beta
Originally posted by squid
according to "Compton's Pictured Encyclopedia" (published in 1937)
these are the population figures:

(estimate) China 470,000,000; eighteen provinces of China Proper, about 415,000,000
Germany 66,000,000
Japan Population of Empire 100,000,000 Japan Proper 70,000,000
Britain 37,360,000
France 42,000,000 French Colonies 65,000,000
India(includes Nepal Pakistan and Bangledesh) 350,000,000
United States 137,008,435 (1930 census)
USSR 161,000,000
The problem is how many are actually available, if you deduct subsistance farmers, herdsmen and so on. India and China might have large populations but they can't use them because they are needed in their grossly inefficient agricultural sector.
 

Jon Shafer

President of Conifer Games
22 Badges
May 25, 2002
2.530
0
www.JonShaferOnDesign.com
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Deluxe edition
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Surviving Mars
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Sengoku
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
I have to admit that the whole "Reformed Socialist" thing gave me quite an :eek: when I saw it. ;)

As far as manpower pool... USSR with 4800? :eek: :eek: :eek:
That's... 480 infantry divisions! :eek: How can you really run through that much manpower (meanwhile the pool is being replenished as well)?!

So basically the 'level' of a commander is what 'rank' he has? If so, then I would put my money on Guderian and Manstein being the Germans' two level 5 land leaders. :)

Thanks for more numbers yet again Cast. :)
 

Sparrow

Magnagati
103 Badges
Sep 10, 2002
1.211
441
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Victoria 2
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria: Revolutions
I think Italian Generalship unduly suffers.

Overall quality shouldn't be that bad. What should hurt is proper desert doctrine vs emphasis on alpine/ww1 style fighting on the frontier and binary division doctrine.

But that is just me and others will call me silly for this.

ps
Messe better be a lvl4 before all is said and done. :p
 

Razgovory

Knower of Things
74 Badges
Jul 29, 2002
714
40
Visit site
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Crusader Kings II
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Majesty 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria 2
Originally posted by Norgesvenn
Yep, I noticed. Britain is Liberal Conservative, France Centrist and the US "Reformed Socialist". :D Oh, well. It brought out a healthy gut laugh from me. The biggest capitalist economy in the world - reformed socialist. :D

I noticed that about the United States. You would think that we would have to been Socialist first and then sorta reformed. It's like we decided call the French goverment Free Market-Congresanal. Also did you notice that Britain has the same type of goverment as Japan to start with? Not really complaints here, just observations. BTW you folks jumped the gun with that Russian Pop thing. It turned out to be historical you just read it wrong. How could you doubt Paradox?!?;)
 

John Poole

Lt. General
58 Badges
Mar 31, 2001
1.293
0
Visit site
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Tyranny - Tales from the Tiers
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Magicka
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • 500k Club
:eek: Wow...look how incredibly far ahead Germany is in Land Doctrine in 1936!! I fail to see how France can even hope to compete with THAT. That Maginot Line better live up to its reputation...

Btw Castellon thank you so much for all your hard work! Especially on the tech part...you really get the feeling how formidable the Germans are with their manpower+tech+industry.
 

unmerged(5120)

Quartermaster General
Jul 30, 2001
1.218
0
Visit site
Originally posted by Sparrow
I think Italian Generalship unduly suffers.

Overall quality shouldn't be that bad. What should hurt is proper desert doctrine vs emphasis on alpine/ww1 style fighting on the frontier and binary division doctrine.

But that is just me and others will call me silly for this.

ps
Messe better be a lvl4 before all is said and done. :p

Bah, talk about the French!

Juin, a 1????? and that puts the rest of the post-1943 leaders at 0????

it's, it's, I'm at a loss for words!
 

unmerged(5120)

Quartermaster General
Jul 30, 2001
1.218
0
Visit site
Originally posted by Zagys
I'd imagine the French had trouble raising ethnic French troops when they didn't control France. :rolleyes:

Not really, in fact. Algeria was a departement, not a colony. Still, native North Africans were legally second class citizens. In 1943, however, they were implicitly promised full citizenship after the war if they participated in the liberation of France, and a lot volunteered.

There were about a dozen divisions formed in NA in 1943/44, and their personnel was about half NA.

After the war, (of course?), those promises weren't fulfilled.

I guess it's no coincidence that Ben Bella, one of the foremost leaders of NA independance, was a (volunteer) sergent in the French army and won the Croix de Guerre in Italy.
 

Zagys

Doomsday Prophet
23 Badges
Mar 1, 2000
1.128
15
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Pride of Nations
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall - Revelations
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Season pass
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Premium edition
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Deluxe edition
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III
Originally posted by Sire Enaique
Not really, in fact. Algeria was a departement, not a colony. Still, native North Africans were legally second class citizens. In 1943, however, they were implicitly promised full citizenship after the war if they participated in the liberation of France, and a lot volunteered.

There were about a dozen divisions formed in NA in 1943/44, and their personnel was about half NA.

After the war, (of course?), those promises weren't fulfilled.

I guess it's no coincidence that Ben Bella, one of the foremost leaders of NA independance, was a (volunteer) sergent in the French army and won the Croix de Guerre in Italy.
How does that contradict what I've said? :confused:
 

Keynes

Colonel
13 Badges
Nov 7, 2001
1.080
43
Visit site
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Pride of Nations
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
Originally posted by Norgesvenn
Yep, I noticed. Britain is Liberal Conservative, France Centrist and the US "Reformed Socialist". :D Oh, well. It brought out a healthy gut laugh from me. The biggest capitalist economy in the world - reformed socialist. :D
Yeah. Individuals like Wallace could be deemed as "reformed socialists" but the FDR regime as a whole (including a somewhat conservative Congress) is pretty clearly "centrist"

I would think the acme of a Reformed Socialist regime would be the French Popular Front. If Rosie is Ref Soc., where does that leave FP? Presumably as Left Wing Radical which is odd given that the centrist "radicals" (led by Daladier) represented a third of the movements deputies and held key cabinet posts. IMO there is very considerable distance between a government like this and "Leninism" which is the next step to the left.
 

unmerged(5120)

Quartermaster General
Jul 30, 2001
1.218
0
Visit site
Originally posted by Keynes
Yeah. Individuals like Wallace could be deemed as "reformed socialists" but the FDR regime as a whole (including a somewhat conservative Congress) is pretty clearly "centrist"

I would think the acme of a Reformed Socialist regime would be the French Popular Front. If Rosie is Ref Soc., where does that leave FP? Presumably as Left Wing Radical which is odd given that the centrist "radicals" (led by Daladier) represented a third of the movements deputies and held key cabinet posts. IMO there is very considerable distance between a government like this and "Leninism" which is the next step to the left.

The French Radical party slowly evolved from a far left formation to a very much centrist one over the course of the XXth century, and by the thirties they could certainly be termed centrists, especially when compared to the SFIO (the socialist party).

In the late 60's/early 70's the party split in two, one half eventually joining the UDF center-right coalition in alliance with the gaullist, Chirac-led RPR.
 

Norgesvenn

LurkAAR
95 Badges
Jun 13, 2001
3.522
1
Visit site
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Supreme Ruler: Cold War
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Cities: Skylines Deluxe Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Pride of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Semper Fi
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
Originally posted by Keynes
Yeah. Individuals like Wallace could be deemed as "reformed socialists" but the FDR regime as a whole (including a somewhat conservative Congress) is pretty clearly "centrist"

I would think the acme of a Reformed Socialist regime would be the French Popular Front. If Rosie is Ref Soc., where does that leave FP? Presumably as Left Wing Radical which is odd given that the centrist "radicals" (led by Daladier) represented a third of the movements deputies and held key cabinet posts. IMO there is very considerable distance between a government like this and "Leninism" which is the next step to the left.

I agree completely. I would think that "reformed socialist" was to be the label for European non-Comintern Social Democrats. Sure, there were social democratic elements in Roosevelt's policies, but on a whole he must be labelled "Centrist"?

A minor niggle, really.

I like the way they have classified the different regimes. Surely some political scientists have been brought in there.
:)
 

BiB

Comité du Salut Public
21 Badges
Jan 25, 2001
27.838
10
forum.paradoxplaza.com
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Rome Gold
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Deus Vult
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Hearts of Iron II: Beta
  • Victoria 2 Beta
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
Originally posted by Trip
I have to admit that the whole "Reformed Socialist" thing gave me quite an :eek: when I saw it. ;)

As far as manpower pool... USSR with 4800? :eek: :eek: :eek:
That's... 480 infantry divisions! :eek: How can you really run through that much manpower (meanwhile the pool is being replenished as well)?!

So basically the 'level' of a commander is what 'rank' he has? If so, then I would put my money on Guderian and Manstein being the Germans' two level 5 land leaders. :)

Thanks for more numbers yet again Cast. :)

240 inf divs actually.
 

BiB

Comité du Salut Public
21 Badges
Jan 25, 2001
27.838
10
forum.paradoxplaza.com
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Rome Gold
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Deus Vult
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Hearts of Iron II: Beta
  • Victoria 2 Beta
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
Originally posted by Petrarca
I would just like to say I am disappointed with the quality of the American leaders. If Mitscher and Halsey are the only 4+ leaders, then you people must either think very poorly of Ray Spruance and Ching Chong China Lee or the desire for game-balance is getting out of hand.

Skill isn't very important without looking at rank. U can have skill 5 but only be a major general. Well, u won't run far against a skill 1 Field Marshall.

Germany for example has 2 level 5 leaders but only one is a Field Marshall of those.

The 2 best leaders at the start are von Manstein and Zhukov, both skill 5 Field Marshalls.

Yamamoto is the best naval leader, Grand Admiral with skill 5.

Göring is the best air leader, skill 5 Air Marshall.

Even more a lot of leaders have special traits giing them even more bonuses so a level 4 general is not as strong as a level 4 general.
 

Faeelin

Field Marshal
79 Badges
Dec 15, 2001
7.283
2.547
Visit site
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • For The Glory
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2
Originally posted by BiB

Yamamoto is the best naval leader, Grand Admiral with skill 5.

Göring is the best air leader, skill 5 Air Marshall.



Yamoto I understand. But Goring? Isn't he the man who thought that the luftwaffe should switch from attacking radar to attacking cities in England?