New European Provinces Wishlist

[VincentX]

Guys 'n galls, everything said about linguistic and cultural borders between Dutch and German is of course correct.

... However ... I believe there are good gameplay reasons for the changes I suggested.

For the Duchy of Loon: the split between Germanic and Romanic cultures -is- very pronounced and runs straight through the middle of the Liège province. That border has barely moved for over a thousand years. Without Loon, the province of Limburg sort of hovers away from the rest of the Flemish culture group, which makes no sense whatsoever. Adding it in would make gameplay in the region more consistent. That's why I'm suggesting it.

For the Duchy of Cleves: It was part of the Netherlands at various times and its administration was ran in Dutch deep into the 18th century. There is ample historical precedent to split it off from the province of Berg. Paradox themselves make references to a split between Kleef and Berg in the Berg province file, for those who bother to check. Kleef has been fought over by Gelre, Berg, the Dutch Republic, the Spanish, the Prussians and even Brandenburg. Its case for enhancing gameplay is rather clear-cut, I'd say.

 

[Herr Doctor]

For the Duchy of Cleves: It was part of the Netherlands at various times and its administration was ran in Dutch deep into the 18th century. There is ample historical precedent to split it off from the province of Berg. Paradox even makes references to a split between Kleef and Berg in the Berg province file, for those who bother to check. Its case is also rather clear-cut.

The province defiantly needs to be split simply to represent at last the different duchies of the 15th century and historical division of the Cleves inheritance in the early 17th century. However Cleves never was "part of the Netherlands", it was under the Dutch military control until the second half of the 17th century but was administrated by the governor of the Brandenburgian Elector.

 

[spyroware1]

What does 'part of the netherlands' mean? Political or geographical? Cultural? Cleves should be included and should be Dutch. Maybe no one knows it today, maybe it lacks a catchy name like the Palatinate but Cleves-Berg-Gulich was one of the most important states in the Rhinelands and was quite high in the list of HRE states almost achieving that critical mass. It was not an OPM. Aachen should become Gulich and become part of Cleves. Heck, split Westphalia between Cleves and Cologne too.

The Loon-Liege split should also be included at some point. Not only it would clear up the cultural border but Liege was also one of the most important HRE states as well. In fact I wish in case of the annexation of an elector Liege automatically became the next one, like it would have been irl.

Also re the previous pages about splitting the unsanitary Polesian forest marshes into 4 provinces, like come on. Having both Pinsk and Turov is generous enough. The density in Lithuania is OK, if anything the cultures need some correcting. Brest, Pinsk, Turov and Bryansk should be Ruthenian, and Smolensk Belarussian/White Ruthenian.

 

[Gustav91]

Sweden was a big power because of good kings who were also good military leaders. Those kings used German mercenaries bought with money looted from German and Polish provinces: Swedish pride.
Heck, if Paradox didn't give Sweden 1000 base tax and 200 provinces, it's for a reason.

TYW
Hey the troops were Swedish! I mean 30 000 out of 250 000 troops of Swedish forces were Swedish! xD
Looted money!? Dude some of them were French subsides too! xD
But a lot of officers were Swedish! Well the immigrated here after the war and become Swedish.

 

[radiatoren]

Denmark is fine as it is. If anything, collecting Jutland in a single province would be acceptable, given the history of Denmark as a seafaring nation. The islands are what is important in the timeframe and particularly the Oeresund area, Lillebælt and Storebælt since together these straits could block all sea-traffic to and from the Baltic Sea. Bornholm has historically been a very important strategic harbour in the Baltic Sea, so cutting it would be unfortunate. (My approach to the issue of own national areas would be to simplify or rearrange as opposed to increase and make more complex.). Scandinavia as a whole is fine. The chosen projections distortion of the northmost areas account for a lot of the size-issues people have with areas. The Bergenslag-area is distorted because the area contains the barely inhabited Jotunsheim. I can recommend the beautyful nature in the area btw. Yes, Stavanger throws a small wrench, but is not that important in the period since it constantly is struck with bad omens of lootings, fire, ailments etc. and never truely expanded past 5.000 inhabitants in the period. It was mostly a church city and not much of a trading port like Oslo, Bergen or politicallly important like Trondheim and Tromsø.

One of the most important areas in the timeframe would be Italy, which is why I would argue, for increasing the resolution there. Eastern Europe needs some serious redrawing of the borders, but that has been covered aplenty and we already know they have changed some of it in AoW.

 

[Derdiedas]

Bohemia should have more provinces. At the very least, Olomouc should be added.

Yeah, separation of Moraviainto more provincies would be nice, but TBH I would vastly prefer splitting of Bomehrwald. Its absurdly huge compared to other HRE provincies and it encompasses areas of very different territory.

 

[Quaility]

I just can't believe how they get away with leaving Prussia like it is now. Even without adding provinces, Europe could be hugely improved. EDIT: If you look at the trailer, you can see that Ostpreussen has been split in 2. This is quite unnecessary, because it does not fix what is wrong with it in the first place. It is just adding provinces for adding them, which should be avoided.

I asked A_Spec this when he was chatting in the stream for about 10-15 minutes ago, but I got no response. I hope he saw it.

 

[zemuzil]

Only one new province for Poland not even polish culture one


how lame...

 

[jacobsighs]

Most of the current provinces just need to be reshaped (especially Memel), I don't think we NEED many new provinces for Europe.

HRE: Give Bohemia 1 more province (around Bielsko)

Poland: Doesn't need more provinces, just more BT

Ukraine/Bialorus: NEED provinces. Maybe 2 for Ukraine, 1 for Bialorus (both desperately need reshaping tho)

Italy: Maybe 2 more provinces, 1 for south, 1 for north, with major BT boost

 

[zemuzil]

Most of the current provinces just need to be reshaped (especially Memel), I don't think we NEED many new provinces for Europe.

HRE: Give Bohemia 1 more province (around Bielsko)

Poland: Doesn't need more provinces, just more BT

Ukraine/Bialorus: NEED provinces. Maybe 2 for Ukraine, 1 for Bialorus (both desperately need reshaping tho)

Italy: Maybe 2 more provinces, 1 for south, 1 for north, with major BT boost

Poland does need some provinces gdol was bigger but not as populous as Poland and ruthenian provinces were ravaged after mongols

i never understood why Lithuania had had always bigger force limits and was wealthier even in eu3


btw ukraine gets many new provinces

 

[Stratagyfan101]

With absolutely no regard for historicity or balance, I'd like to see Italy run a minimum of three provinces wide from north to south. Every continent should look like East Africa, a small strip of land (maybe smaller) for the coasts. No Macedonias or Aquitaines or other mess provinces that make no sense if I only want the damned port.

 

[Kinasawa]

With absolutely no regard for historicity or balance, I'd like to see Italy run a minimum of three provinces wide from north to south. Every continent should look like East Africa, a small strip of land (maybe smaller) for the coasts. No Macedonias or Aquitaines or other mess provinces that make no sense if I only want the damned port.

I totally agree.

 

[Rajul]

With absolutely no regard for historicity or balance, I'd like to see Italy run a minimum of three provinces wide from north to south. Every continent should look like East Africa, a small strip of land (maybe smaller) for the coasts. No Macedonias or Aquitaines or other mess provinces that make no sense if I only want the damned port.

Really important also for correctly manoeuvring in Italy.

 

[Morwys]

Anything but wasteland. I don't care which provinces they add, all I want is as little wasteland as possible.

 

[Samman666]

Europe is the only continent without any major desert, so I doubt there'll be any big wasteland at any point in the development of EU4

 

[Sousuke123]

If Pdx would rework Tetuons and Livonian Order provinces into this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Mariana#mediaviewer/File:Medieval_Livonia_1260.svg and add Trois-Évêchés http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Bishoprics#mediaviewer/File:Trois-Évêchés.png i would die happily.

Dividing Niederbayern would be great idea since from 1353 was divided into Bavaria-Landshut and Bavaria-Straubing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavari...varia-Straubing_-_Karte_Straubing-Holland.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavari...arte_Niederbayern-Landshut_und_Oberbayern.png

Adding Bavaria-Ingolstadt to shrink Bavaria-Lanshut would be nice addition as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria-Ingolstadt#mediaviewer/File:Karte_Bayern-Ingolstadt.png

 

[otaman1]

I would love to see Novaya Zemlya with Yuzhny and Severny Island as provinces. Oh yeah, the Nenets would be an awesome tribe to play as.

 

[Simoleum]

No. Just no. Norway was the poorest area on the planet. Giving Norway even 1 province would be a joke to all other countries on the planet. Every. single. country. are before Norway in the priority list of getting more provinces.

I just came here to say that Norway did get 1 province. #Victory

 

[Retetop]

More Norway is always good.

 

[toroltao]

Europe is the only continent without any major desert, so I doubt there'll be any big wasteland at any point in the development of EU4

Continents are a myth.