New European Provinces Wishlist

[petertel123]

No. Just no. Norway was the poorest area on the planet. Giving Norway even 1 province would be a joke to all other countries on the planet. Every. single. country. are before Norway in the priority list of getting more provinces.

quite ironic that norway is now one of the richest areas on the planet (per capita at least)

 

[Empreorpoef]

I did a Balkans rework

Sorry but I don't like this... it's way too many provinces and all of them are very square-ish with very, very, very connected border lines

it looks like you just made a grid of provinces rather than giving them interesting shapes

I do like the adriatic's coastal provinces though

 

[oblio-]

quite ironic that norway is now one of the richest areas on the planet (per capita at least)

So is Saudi Arabia. The wonders oil & gas will do for your country

 

[Knibis]

I agree with what someone said here earlier, more European provinces will nerf the ROTW.. BUT the ROTW has gotten so extreamly many new pronvinces that a few new not-so-high-taxbase provinces in Europe wont make a difference, it will be more correct like for ex. someone said in regards for northern italy which is a historically strong and dense region that might need another province..

This is my suggestion: Spain +2, Italy +3, Greece/European turkey +4, Sweden +2, Norway +2, Finland +1, France +1. Moldavia +1, Poland +1, GB +2 and then +2 weak uncolonized provinces in Greenland = 19+2

taking into account historical and population density aspects

 

[InFerroVeritas]

Split Bohmerwald to two - Pilsen and Budweis

Bohemia? Moar lyk Beerhemia, mirite?

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Sardinia really shouldn't be split. It was governed by a single country continuously from before EUIV starts to this day. It is a bad idea to split islands that work perfectly as single provinces. When you invade Sardinia, you take all. Not half, not a third. All of it.

If I remember correctly we have yet discussed about this in a very old thread I think that if you, like during modern age, gain Sardinia by diplomacy of course you have entire Sardinia, but if you have to fight in Sardinia to gain it by warfare the things should be different.

However, we will see, I don't know if europe will be redone in AoW, seems not, but probably in a next expansion, at that point we will discover what Devs and people working with them will choose what to do with Sardinia .

 

[petertel123]

So is Saudi Arabia. The wonders oil & gas will do for your country

the difference here is that the wealth in norway is rather equally distributed, while in saudi arabia it belongs to a few very rich people (that's the difference between a developed country and a developing country IMO)

 

[oblio-]

the difference here is that the wealth in norway is rather equally distributed, while in saudi arabia it belongs to a few very rich people (that's the difference between a developed country and a developing country IMO)

Or the difference in culture.
Even back when they were both poor, Norway had equally distributed poverty while Saudi Arabia still had very few rich people (definitely poorer than they are now ).
From what I know, no Saudis are actually poor. The immigrants from Africa and Asia are poor - and generally mistreated. But the average Arabian citizen is actually wealthy.

 

[jrgen3]

I agree with what someone said here earlier, more European provinces will nerf the ROTW.. BUT the ROTW has gotten so extreamly many new pronvinces that a few new not-so-high-taxbase provinces in Europe wont make a difference, it will be more correct like for ex. someone said in regards for northern italy which is a historically strong and dense region that might need another province..

This is my suggestion: Spain +2, Italy +3, Greece/European turkey +4, Sweden +2, Norway +2, Finland +1, France +1. Moldavia +1, Poland +1, GB +2 and then +2 weak uncolonized provinces in Greenland = 19+2

taking into account historical and population density aspects

If you are taking into account province density, why on earth do you give Norway an extra province? Norway had 150 000 people around 1500. France had 17 million or so. Sweden doesn't deserve another province either. What is the small province you split off Champagne? I would rather merge the two Greenlandic provinces and make it larger. Like this:

 

[Knibis]

If you are taking into account province density, why on earth do you give Norway an extra province? Norway had 150 000 people around 1500. France had 17 million or so. Sweden doesn't deserve another province either. What is the small province you split off Champagne? I would rather merge the two Greenlandic provinces and make it larger. Like this:

i was talking about the population dencity, keep the big regions in the north and west Norway but in the south they have always had a higher population density, making that area 3 low tax base regions instead of 2 isnt much to ask is it.. i mean even with my splits the regions are huge so it still represents that Norway has a low population. Norway is still dirt poor with or without splits

and wth are talking about with Sweden, Sweden was a big power in the 17th century which is in the EU4 timeframe so Sweden could atleast have +2 provinces in the south, i mean i get that provinces in the north are huge, and they should be (with 1 tax base) but the south of Sweden should have more provinces absolutely


and Champagne.. this region is not considered to be this big on many french province maps, its split

 

[rowt]

Well, Serbia and Bosnia were quite devastated by the constant wars, but Wallachia was comparatively rich and well populated after becoming an Ottoman vassal and until the Russo-Turkish wars began much later.
We just didn't have a lot of left over money due to the "protection tax" *cough* tribute to the Ottomans.

Well their provinces in EU4 have like 2 base tax each

Well they may be poor at the start bit by the end who knows what could happen? That reminds me that the game needs a more dynamic economy system

Base tax usually doesn't change at all during the game

 

[oblio-]

i was talking about the population dencity, keep the big regions in the north and west Norway but in the south they have always had a higher population density, making that area 3 low tax base regions instead of 2 isnt much to ask is it.. i mean even with my splits the regions are huge so it still represents that Norway has a low population. Norway is still dirt poor with or without splits

and wth are talking about with Sweden, Sweden was a big power in the 17th century which is in the EU4 timeframe so Sweden could atleast have +2 provinces in the south, i mean i get that provinces in the north are huge, and they should be (with 1 tax base) but the south of Sweden should have more provinces absolutely


and Champagne.. this region is not considered to be this big on many french province maps, its split

Sweden was a big power because of good kings who were also good military leaders. Those kings used German mercenaries bought with money looted from German and Polish provinces: Swedish pride.
Heck, if Paradox didn't give Sweden 1000 base tax and 200 provinces, it's for a reason.

 

[Zak Preston]

Desired changes to Ruthenian and Bielarussian provinces (primary thread is here)



Ruthenian provinces:

• Maramos: 1 Uzhgorod/Ungvar and 2 Khust
• Ruthenia: 3 Lviv, 4 Stanislav, 5 Chern
• Zhytomyr: 6 Ovruch and 7 Zhytomyr
• Volhynia: 8 Zbarazh and 9 Lutsk
• Novgorod-Severkiy: 10 Novgorod-Siverskiy and 11 Putyvl
• Cherkasy: 12 Cherkasy and 13 Chyhyryn
• Poltava: 14 Poltava and 15 Kremenchug
• Kiev: 16 Kyiv and 17 Oster
• Bratslav: 18 Bratslav and 19 Vinnytsya

Bielarussian provinces:

• Mogilev: 1 Mogilev, 2 Mstislavl and 3 Krichev
• Minsk: 4 Minsk and 5 Gomel
• Turov: 6 Turov and 7 Slutsk
• Pinsk: 8 Pinsk and 9 Kobrin (messed up a bit with borders :sad
• Grodno: 10 Grodno and 11 Slonim
• Polotsk: 12 Polotsk and 13 Vitebsk

 

[TolHydra]

Italy definitely needs some rework,
and Alentejo could be split up.

Spoiler

While we are on the topic of adding provinces to ROTW
Gib this back pl0x:

 

[jrgen3]

i was talking about the population dencity, keep the big regions in the north and west Norway but in the south they have always had a higher population density, making that area 3 low tax base regions instead of 2 isnt much to ask is it.. i mean even with my splits the regions are huge so it still represents that Norway has a low population. Norway is still dirt poor with or without splits

and wth are talking about with Sweden, Sweden was a big power in the 17th century which is in the EU4 timeframe so Sweden could atleast have +2 provinces in the south, i mean i get that provinces in the north are huge, and they should be (with 1 tax base) but the south of Sweden should have more provinces absolutely


and Champagne.. this region is not considered to be this big on many french province maps, its split

But what did you split Champagne into? Or don't you know? Did you just randomly select provinces that are large and split them?

I know quite well where the population in Norway is as I live there. Norway really doesn't need another province. It already has too many. Same goes for Sweden. No reason for them to have so many.

 

[uishax]

Imho europe needs minor changes, not a complete rework. Also i thought that people meant as reworking italy something like adding 1 province in the north 2 in the middle and 2 in the south, not 6 provinces in the north and 2 more on sicily (with all due respect for that island why shall it have 4 provinces total while the rest of the south would be way less dense? i would add siracusa as a medium-rich province in sicily and one poor province on the southern part of the peninsula) and for the middle i would prefer to see a real urbino as an inner duchy with its real province (not owning ancona in 1444), than a mini province made just for rome... also i would add a province in tuscany (lucca anyone? indipendent till 1799 is enough for u to consider them?) rather than adding more than 1 province in the north. Northern part of italy is already both dense and rich, that's what i'm saying...

Also, actually this is the really important matter... please shut down that mega lombard culture, i can't withstand watching lombard as a culture of sardinia and tuscany, it's also the biggest culture group by base tax, greater than tartar too, so you're not nerfing anything...and i would have split sardinia at least in 2. In 1444 it's true that it was almost completely aragonese (almost... the northern part was genoese, castelsardo, also called casteldoria because it was owned by doria family was lost in 1448) but if we want to follow eu rules the kingdom of arborea should still own its cores there since it was conquered during the preceding century. So it's just your choice, but please at least consider to rework the mega culture group because sardinia at that time was already more catalan than lombard (also because it's never been lombard?)....



And my 2 cents for the balkans, i'm not against a rework of that region, but the example posted... way too much dense...

Pretty sure the largest tax group is Han, well it will be next patch.

 

[VincentX]

This is what the Low Countries should look like ...



Paradox, if nothing else, please at least split Liège into wallonian Liège & flemish Loon. Borders look horrible as it is.

 

[Sousuke123]

This is what the Low Countries should look like ...

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I don't think so cutting best country in Low Countries is great idea, they should be even more expanded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince...ntries_Locator_Prince-Bischopric_of_Liege.svg

 

[Mattzey]

I really belive England need an extra province, just needs another average island province off the coast in between ire land and England because currently i feel they're a lot weaker than what they should be

 

[VincentX]

I don't think so cutting best country in Low Countries is great idea, they should be even more expanded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince...ntries_Locator_Prince-Bischopric_of_Liege.svg

Except that it gets the Flemish cultural border wrong and puts an entire provinces out of reach of the main cultural body? Liège should be a two-province country, made up of Liège and Loon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Loon

Liège was centered around ... Liège. Loon was centered around Hasselt (the modern province of Belgian Limburg).

They got it right in CKII btw, wherein Loon is a separate province.