NEW : Europa Universalis III conversion mod

[mole75]

That solved the problem...

Thanks for a great converter!!!

 

[yvesp]

I think I've found a solution for some of the problems

I used your new .jar file to analyse my saves and found that different characters had same id. eg {type = 10 id = 55453} and {type = 4712 id = 55453}

Now I'm trying to purge the savegame for doublets.

I'll post here when I know if it solves the problem

ouh...
That's actually absolutely interesting!
I've always wondered about the "type" field for characters...

Does anybody have an idea about it's meaning ?

Especially when you know that there are actually only two types I know of : 10 and 4712... has anybody seen other values ?

In any case, I could then solve the problem by somehow including the type of the character in the id. I'll think about it.

Thanks!

Yves

 

[jordarkelf]

Characters with type = 10 are those in the scenario files (alive or dead at start), type = 4712 are born in game.
The game treats them differently (as of DV for example type = 10 characters will not gain stats from aging, type = 4712 will), and they should be parsed as different characters. Including the type in the ID for type = 10 characters should do the trick -- in any savegame saved +-100 years after scenario start they should be outnumbered by 4712 characters, since type = 10 characters will be dead and only exist as ancestors in family trees.

 

[yvesp]

Characters with type = 10 are those in the scenario files (alive or dead at start), type = 4712 are born in game.
The game treats them differently (as of DV for example type = 10 characters will not gain stats from aging, type = 4712 will), and they should be parsed as different characters. Including the type in the ID for type = 10 characters should do the trick -- in any savegame saved +-100 years after scenario start they should be outnumbered by 4712 characters, since type = 10 characters will be dead and only exist as ancestors in family trees.

Thanks for that clarification. I guessed that there was some difference, but never knew what it was ; and that "bug" never manifested in my conversions attempts ; it's logical because I only converted games which I played for some time (50 years or more). At this time, those type 10 characters would not matter much...

Anyway, the next release should correct this problem.
I also expect to include some of the features you need.

Yves

 

[yvesp]

That solved the problem...

Thanks for a great converter!!!

Thanks! o

I still expect to be releasing a modified version of the converter that take car of this problem.

Yves

 

[yvesp]

I have another request:
-Can you make it so that any nation ruled by a muslim with the shiite trait converts to a shiite nation, and likewise for sunni trait/sunni?

What kind of conversion do you suggest for muslim provinces (not the leaders) for the breakdown between sunni and chiite ?
- geography (as now) ?
- use county owner religion for each county religion then consolidate into EU3 province religion ?
- other (what ?)

-Jews now convert to shamanism. Can you change this to sunni muslim? Or -- preferably -- allow me to set them to Jewish in EU3. I've modded that religion in for my own mod. Failing that, I think sunni is a better match than pagan.

easily done for next release, pending other decisions about religion (shiite/sunni problems).

Also a question (or another request) -- is it possible for any counties (C123) which are matched to an EU3 tag will have a bigger chance to become an EU3 nation, rather than being merged into a duchy?

done for next release.


Yves

 

[ulmont]

What kind of conversion do you suggest for muslim provinces (not the leaders) for the breakdown between sunni and chiite ?
- geography (as now) ?
- use county owner religion for each county religion then consolidate into EU3 province religion ?
- other (what ?)

A combination of geography and county owners. Define an arbitrary number of "zones" for sunni and shiite (this is similar to your current geographical approach). I'd tend to say a kingdom level analysis would be appropriate here. Then determine the majority county owner muslim flavor for that kingdom and apply that religion to the entire zone.

This would allow for differing areas of sunni and shiite influence while still maintaining some semblance of sanity (that is, there will be large groupings of sunni and shiite provinces, not a checkerboard based on the county tags).

 

[yvesp]

A combination of geography and county owners. Define an arbitrary number of "zones" for sunni and shiite (this is similar to your current geographical approach). I'd tend to say a kingdom level analysis would be appropriate here. Then determine the majority county owner muslim flavor for that kingdom and apply that religion to the entire zone.

This would allow for differing areas of sunni and shiite influence while still maintaining some semblance of sanity (that is, there will be large groupings of sunni and shiite provinces, not a checkerboard based on the county tags).

At this point my approach is this one:

I work at the eu3 province level, making an average (or weighted average on income) on the counties inside the province.
if final religion for province is not muslim, then I take that religion for that province.
if the religion of the province is muslim, then I have to decide which to choose between sunni and chiite. I do this by now checking the province original culture (determined in the same way as I determined the province religion).
if muslim or turkish, then I don't change anything, and the final religion will be as defined at the start of the eu3 scenario (the logic here is that the starting eu3 province will have the logical choice). If anything else (meaning that the province was taken over by muslims during the game), then it will be set as sunni (chiite did not expend much).

Do you feel this approach satisfactory ?

Yves

 

[jordarkelf]

I like the current approach, but as for shiite/sunni, I would not use zones. I'd say the following: for muslim provinces, top ruler level decides sunni vs shiite. So a shiite king or independent duke will lead to a shiite realm, otherwise sunni. This will allow for the shiite Fatimids and Cyrenaica arabs to be shiite if they survive in what is today a sunni region.

The rest (including conquest = sunni) sounds good.

 

[mole75]

Thanks for that clarification. I guessed that there was some difference, but never knew what it was ; and that "bug" never manifested in my conversions attempts ; it's logical because I only converted games which I played for some time (50 years or more). At this time, those type 10 characters would not matter much...

Yves

I'm not sure that the time played does anything. At least for me I had the problem with a savegame from the 1337 scenario saved around 1417 - 80 years. And at least one of the characters that caused the problem had been dead for 50+ years..

 

[yvesp]

I like the current approach, but as for shiite/sunni, I would not use zones. I'd say the following: for muslim provinces, top ruler level decides sunni vs shiite. So a shiite king or independent duke will lead to a shiite realm, otherwise sunni. This will allow for the shiite Fatimids and Cyrenaica arabs to be shiite if they survive in what is today a sunni region.

The rest (including conquest = sunni) sounds good.

Ah, yes!
But I was only speaking about religion at the province level.
The realm religion is always the ruler religion, which is not necessarily that of the provinces he rules! This is where the shiite/sunni trait would play a role (at this time -i.e. without using these traits-, it is obviously even more difficult to decide when a ruler is sunni/shiite).

Yves

 

[yvesp]

And at least one of the characters that caused the problem had been dead for 50+ years..

uh...

nasty ghost!
was that in scotland ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yves

 

[jordarkelf]

About the characters -- as long as they appear in the family tree of any surviving character, type = 10 chars will remain. Even if 300 years have passed. By this time ID conflicts are very probable

Province religion -- ehh... got me there. Sunni/Shiite zones sound logical there I guess.

 

[ulmont]

if muslim or turkish, then I don't change anything, and the final religion will be as defined at the start of the eu3 scenario (the logic here is that the starting eu3 province will have the logical choice). If anything else (meaning that the province was taken over by muslims during the game), then it will be set as sunni (chiite did not expend much).

This approach makes it impossible to handle an ahistorical shiite expansion in the CK timeframe, though, doesn't it?

 

[yvesp]

This approach makes it impossible to handle an ahistorical shiite expansion in the CK timeframe, though, doesn't it?

Yes, you're right.
But how can I distinguish between a shiite expension and a sunni expension ? there is no "sunni/shiite" trait for counties! So, faking such an expension would be quite arbitrary...

Yves

 

[ulmont]

But how can I distinguish between a shiite expension and a sunni expension ? there is no "sunni/shiite" trait for counties! So, faking such an expension would be quite arbitrary...

It would have to be presumed based on the local rulers in some way...but I suppose, under that assumption, you'll never get the Mameluke "all our provinces are wrong-flavor" result.

 

[gigau]

I haven't played CK for some time now... taking car of my EU3 MEIOU mod. Can't muslims have,like catholics, the heretic trait in CK ? If so, a nation with a heretic leader could become shiite. Same for heresy in muslim provinces.

... just a suggestion

 

[jordarkelf]

That's how some modders did heresy before DV, but heretic has too many unpleasant other effects.
As of DV we have the sunni/shiite traits for muslims, but nothing on the province level.

 

[yvesp]

I haven't played CK for some time now... taking car of my EU3 MEIOU mod. Can't muslims have,like catholics, the heretic trait in CK ? If so, a nation with a heretic leader could become shiite. Same for heresy in muslim provinces.

... just a suggestion

That wouldn't do ; heresy happens erratically, and doesn't happen that often ; as a result you would get very few and dispersed chiite provinces (if any when you take into account the effects of counties aggregation to form EU3 provinces) ; that's way too far from history for me to take that direction.

One interesting question for which I have no answer because I have not yet had time to play DV, but for which some of you may have answers is:
How does the game handle sunni in relation with chiites ? I mean, do they tend to stick each in their own yard, or do they mix up a lot ? Will you find a shiite "king" ruling a sunni "duke" himself ruling shiite "counts", or would the whole hierarchy be usually one religion ?

If the mixup is light, then one might assume that a (generic) muslim province ruled by a shiite would be shiite, and a (generic) muslim province ruled by a sunni would be sunni. It would even be imaginable to back this up by geography, with something along the lines:
* if the county is muslim, if the ruler religion is muslim and if the geography backs up that specific brand of muslim in 1453 OR the geography states that this part of the world was not muslim in 1453 (ahistorical conquest and conversion of non muslim lands), then the county is that brand.
* if the county is muslim, if the ruler religion is muslim but the geography opposes that specific brand of muslim in 1453, then the county may be that brand (random check, randomness beeing configurable).

This is only a suggestion, because I don't really know how easy it would be to implement this.

Obviously, if the mixup is heavy, this wouldn't work (muslim lands would become a patchwork of shiite/sunni), which is far from historical ; in that case, better to stick with a simpler assignment scheme.

What do you think ?

Yves

 

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Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "0
.1"
at java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Integer.<init>(Unknown Source)
at ck.County.load(County.java:88)
at utils.FieldSet.put(FieldSet.java:20)
at utils.FieldSet.load(FieldSet.java:36)
at ck.County.loadAll(County.java:63)
at ck.Analyzer.<init>(Analyzer.java:55)
at ck.Analyzer.loadAnalyzer(Analyzer.java:60)
at CK2EU3.main(CK2EU3.java:74)

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