New diplo modifier (?)

[Larva]

Only for Holy War - any other type of war is fine
Najd is Sunni, Yemen is Shia

Goes even worse against Sunni

Was it there all the time? Wiki is silent

 

[Nostalgium]

That seems new, but it's a welcome change.

 

[Zaddy]

... did Religious need a nerf...? Am I going insane? lol

 

[bokorthedust]

It was introduced in the 1.32 patch.

 

[Reman]

Yet another reason not to pick Religious, as if we needed another lol.

 

[Retrac910]

Oh, I didn’t know about that. Makes sense, really cool!

 

[Arizal]

I don't like that it's a -1000, but otherwise it makes some sense that a country wouldn't join an actual holy war if it's against a country of the same faith. I would still think this shouldn't be absolute, because they might absolutely hate the country and thus not care about the way they enter a war against it.

 

[Larva]

The funny part - it seems this modifier is being checked only on the start of the war. After that you can 'A Call to Arms!' your ally disregarding this modifier. Oh Paradox...

 

[Jespoke]

It was in the 1.32 patch notes, though I'm pretty sure they only mentioned the one against their own faith, not the heretics one.
It would be pretty neat if the heretic modifier scaled with a country's Tolerance of Heretics.

 

[JacobiteJames]

The funny part - it seems this modifier is being checked only on the start of the war. After that you can 'A Call to Arms!' your ally disregarding this modifier. Oh Paradox...View attachment 776194

Got that in my current game where Portugal thinks brittany is too distant to be called into my English war with them, but will join the day after

 

[Astalic]

As sidowloska said here : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ous-brethren-modifier-goes-both-ways.1497910/
It work in both ways, you can avoid some alliance.
It can also help you.

 

[enKage]

Ignore it, after war declaration you can freely call in, even against nonheretical faith

 

[watchout86]

Ignore it, after war declaration you can freely call in, even against nonheretical faith

Yup, and also works in reverse: if you attack a heathen nation and they are allied to your rival, it says it won't call them in due to the modifier but it absolutely will in my experience. Seems the modifier doesn't actually do anything.

 

[Larva]

Yup, and also works in reverse: if you attack a heathen nation and they are allied to your rival, it says it won't call them in due to the modifier but it absolutely will in my experience. Seems the modifier doesn't actually do anything.

Exactly. In same situation Ottos were allied to Hesse (sic! at least they didn't ally Ulm - that would have ended my campaign against them for sure), which was Reformed, and it seemed they will not join defenders call - but then they actually joined. Don't have full set of shots now, but will post later. Maybe should even report a bug on this.

 

[Larva]

As sidowloska said here : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ous-brethren-modifier-goes-both-ways.1497910/
It work in both ways, you can avoid some alliance.
It can also help you.

Sadly, it actually doesn't work properly and is completely broken.

 

[Jespoke]

Exactly. In same situation Ottos were allied to Hesse (sic!), which was Reformed, and it seemed they will not join defenders call - but then they actually joined. Don't have full set of shots now, but will post later. Maybe should even report a bug on this.

That is really silly, holy war should not get to bypass cross-religion alliances. At least the one bug makes the other bug not matter in practice.