I split into two, but I dunno what to call them (current names are langobardian and italian)
Any suggestions?
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I split into two, but I dunno what to call them (current names are langobardian and italian)
Any suggestions?
Provence is occitan in culture and language, and the dialectal variant of occitan spoken there is called, not surprisingly, provençal. This "provençal" has not to be confounded with the language called "franco-provençal", the problem is that the name is very misleading, as Twoflower pointed out before. As the language somewhat resembles french and somewhat resembles provençal, during the first historical linguistical works, received the misleading name of "franco-provençal", but it is not provençal nor it is related to it more than it is related to french or to any other latin language.
Umbrian (or Tuscan) for the north and Latin or Italian for the south.
Another, perhaps better option is Italian for the north and Sicilian for the South, Making Firenze and Romagna and to the North into Italian and all south of Rome to have Sicilian culture, the Papacy, well, we will have to discuss them.
I'm actually leaning towards this division, since the modern Italian language, if I understood correctly, comes much from Dante and Tuscany? Also in HRE times northern Italy was Italy and southern was the Two Sicilies.
Just a thought, and I think the most modern but also maybe the most lasting through the ages, as opposed to the (much) more historically ancient Umbrians, Langobardii and Gallo-Italians. IMHO.
Originally posted by Nikolai II
Umbrian (or Tuscan) for the north and Latin or Italian for the south.
Another, perhaps better option is Italian for the north and Sicilian for the South, Making Firenze and Romagna and to the North into Italian and all south of Rome to have Sicilian culture, the Papacy, well, we will have to discuss them.
I'm actually leaning towards this division, since the modern Italian language, if I understood correctly, comes much from Dante and Tuscany? Also in HRE times northern Italy was Italy and southern was the Two Sicilies.
Just a thought, and I think the most modern but also maybe the most lasting through the ages, as opposed to the (much) more historically ancient Umbrians, Langobardii and Gallo-Italians. IMHO.
My current border is:
Firenze and Romagna on the north and Siena and Marche on the south...
Sardinia and corsica has its own culture (corsican), as I hate 1 prov cultures...
Is sicilian viable for the papal states as culture? Is it correct?
As this is the normal EU2 timeframe, history is more important than the future...
Yeah, I went with recent history though, 13th century cultures feels more 'right' than 8th century cultures (or earlier) IMHO.
The Papacy is a bother.. I think I'd go with them as 'Italian', to encourage them to keep to the north (historically) and to discourage Aragon and Naples from wanting to take Rome.
(The option would be to give Papacy both sicilian and italian as state cultures, allowing them to possibly rule all of the Italian peninsula without problems)
No one-prov cultures, eh? Dare I ask what happened to Malta and Albania?
They're dead!
Muhahahaha!This is actually for the Independent Europe Scenario, therefor, Papal States will not really exist...
So I might rename the northern one to Italian and the southern to sicilian...
Sure, but in that case I'd lean towards Rome as sicilian, but I'm sure that someone more opinionated will post here as well
You could always split up Italy 3 ways, making a third culture for Rome and that province just east of it, and perhaps Naples as well.... maybe call it "Latin"...
As for France... it's a little of a stretch but you might be able to extend Breton into Vendee and Norman (if you create it) into Maine.
I do think, however, that Lorraine should stay French. I'd bring up Alsace, but I'm biased - it really depends on the time frame. (My family is French Alsatian on one grandmother's side, but realistically it's a mixed border area.)
As for France... it's a little of a stretch but you might be able to extend Breton into Vendee and Norman (if you create it) into Maine.
I do think, however, that Lorraine should stay French. I'd bring up Alsace, but I'm biased - it really depends on the time frame. (My family is French Alsatian on one grandmother's side, but realistically it's a mixed border area.)
I just bumped this thread because I'm considering to make a scenario and I might want to subdivide a few of the cultures.(And borrow abit from here) I'll start a thread of my own once I get going