New countries for Hearts of Iron 4?

[eyad99]

I was wondering if anybody thinks that there should be some countries added to Hearts of Iron 4. Such as new releasable Countries such a Libya ,Bangladesh or a United Korea. Or maybe adding new countries with having to release them such as Egypt.
Just wanted to see what you guys think

 

[PanosB3]

No you shouldn't be able to form any countries, only colonies should be able to be released.

 

[eyad99]

No you shouldn't be able to form any countries, only colonies should be able to be released.

What about Egypt it was independent throughout the duration of 1936-1948 period

 

[Evan05]

What about Egypt it was independent throughout the duration of 1936-1948 period

Barely. They really only had true, de facto independence after 1952.

 

[FOARP]

No you shouldn't be able to form any countries, only colonies should be able to be released.

Is there really any reason why not? Have releasable countries allows for greater flavour, and opens interesting possibilities - what about Germany releasing a puppet Scotland (not entirely beyond plausibility given the SNP's founder's Nazi sympathies)?

Barely. They really only had true, de facto independence after 1952.

The Philippines are shown as independent at game-start, and they didn't achieve independence until 1946. The only reason not to have Egypt independent is game-play, and it turns out that is a pretty good reason.

 

[Decolonization]

It would definitaly be good if countries like Morocco, Egypt or Syria could be playable as puppets. Also colonies and countries should be releasable by the colonial empire or by the occupier!

 

[Evan05]

The Philippines are shown as independent at game-start, and they didn't achieve independence until 1946. The only reason not to have Egypt independent is game-play, and it turns out that is a pretty good reason.

The Philippines starts out as an American puppet though.

 

[FOARP]

The Philippines starts out as an American puppet though.

That's an argument for Egypt being a British puppet.

The real argument for not having Egypt on the map is that the game-engine cannot handle the historical situation: Egypt was neutral until the final months of the war but dominated by the UK. There's no way of allowing the Axis to invade Egypt whilst it remains neutral.

 

[Evan05]

That's an argument for Egypt being a British puppet.

The real argument for not having Egypt on the map is that the game-engine cannot handle the historical situation: Egypt was neutral until the final months of the war but dominated by the UK. There's no way of allowing the Axis to invade Egypt whilst it remains neutral.

Egypt being a puppet would do more justice to the situation then it being directly annexed into the UK.

Gameplay wise, it doesn't matter. Either way Egypt is in the war, as soon as the UK is in the war. The game engine can't handle the situation either way, however it would still be more accurate to have Egypt be a puppet. That way you get more historical accuracy without sacrificing gameplay since the end gameplay-result is the same.

 

[LoLLarN]

Egypt being a puppet would do more justice to the situation then it being directly annexed into the UK.

Gameplay wise, it doesn't matter. Either way Egypt is in the war, as soon as the UK is in the war. The game engine can't handle the situation either way, however it would still be more accurate to have Egypt be a puppet. That way you get more historical accuracy without sacrificing gameplay since the end gameplay-result is the same.

I do agree with this.. though it just makes me wonder how much manpower GB would lose as well with its industrial capacity.

 

[Evan05]

I do agree with this.. though it just makes me wonder how much manpower GB would lose as well with its industrial capacity.

I don't think that much. Though if needed the devs could just give provinces like London a slight manpower buff. Gameplay has higher priority over historical accuracy after all.

 

[LoLLarN]

I don't think that much. Though if needed the devs could just give provinces like London a slight manpower buff. Gameplay has higher priority over historical accuracy after all.

I mostly asked this due to the fact that they lost all of India as their own provinces- in Hoi3 GB had all of India under its direct rule. And Egypt would maybe be too much of a blow with India being gone from being under direct control.

 

[Anichent]

Yes I think a lot should be added, fact is I doubt Paradox will add any more or change anything so it'll need to be a mod. Which is time consuming but not hard. Real issue then becomes the parts that become hard to mod like portraits and art.

 

[LordOfWar16]

As for egypt, the best way to represent their state during that time would probably making them an puppet of the UK just as the british raj. While they were independant on paper they were still heaviely influenced by the UK. Basicly just as the Philipeans ingame, which are an US puppet.

It should also be mentioned why those states are under direct controll in the first place. It goes all back to HoI 1 i think, where the AI had massive problems with them being puppets or independant. Thats why they were under direct controll in the first place.

If they really made them as puppets it would be very important to have some way of actually building in their territory. Say you want to extend the airbases and naval bases on the philipeans or egypt for example as the US/UK, you probably should be able to do so with your own industrial capacity of course. Then it would actually make sense gameplay wise to make egypt an puppet state.

 

[Anichent]

It should also be mentioned why those states are under direct controll in the first place. It goes all back to HoI 1 i think, where the AI had massive problems with them being puppets or independant. Thats why they were under direct controll in the first place.

If they really made them as puppets it would be very important to have some way of actually building in their territory. Say you want to extend the airbases and naval bases on the philipeans or egypt for example as the US/UK, you probably should be able to do so with your own industrial capacity of course. Then it would actually make sense gameplay wise to make egypt an puppet state.

Exactly, and this has been the devs stated reason for not making these states puppets: the AI can't handle them, and the lack of military control over puppet territory. The problem, as I see it, is that the devs have chosen the solution as just being to take those countries out of the game rather than actually coming up with creative ways to solve the problem. I hate to be so critical but in this case there are a lot better solutions than just removing Egypt or Manchukuo and others from the game completely.

 

[inteljoe]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but I hope "Custom Games" and "Custom Nations" make an appearance. I liked in HOI3 being able to change the tech tree and units and such. Plus the custom nations feature of EU4 was so much fun too. I'd love to carve out a place of the world to call my own.

 

[LordOfWar16]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but I hope "Custom Games" and "Custom Nations" make an appearance. I liked in HOI3 being able to change the tech tree and units and such. Plus the custom nations feature of EU4 was so much fun too. I'd love to carve out a place of the world to call my own.

well, atleast for release there wont be an custom game feature. With that said, that feature was brought in with Expansions for HoI III and EUIV aswell, so i wouldnt write it off.

 

[Cossack_of_Hetmanschina]

It could be interesting to add as Soviet puppet or neutral minor nation Ukrainian Rebels of S.Bandera.Capital,may be,Lwow,terrytory also at non-Soviet part of modern Ukraine.Models of infantry as polish,models of vehicles---german or soviet(trophy vehicles).
What do you think?