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Hi,

I'm thinking in buying a new computer, It would be mainly for C:S and BF1. My choice at the moment is a i5 7600k, 16gb RAM, gtx 1080 and a 1440p 144hz display. How much would improve the performance of the game if a go for an i7 7700k and a gtx 1080ti?

Sorry for my bad english :)

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That's 250$ more, or thereabout right? You'd *maybe* get 10% more peak FPS and even less on average.

If I were in your shoes, I'd take the 7700k, "ordinary" 1080, and 32gb RAM (because why the hell not).
 

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Yes, I'm buiding it myself, right now I have an i5 4460, 8gb RAM and a GTX960 my budget for new uild is not very tight but I don't want to spend with no real effect on performance of the game.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4460/3647vs2310

Check out the comparison of the i5 to your current CPU and then the i7. The i5 is a +46% improvement, whereas the i7 is a +52%, but for an extra £100.

Are you keeping the old machine as it is or cannibalising components from it for the new one?
 

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Honestly not sure how much the 1080TI will help your Cities Skylines FPS even at 1440p. Most people don't really benchmark Cities Skylines especially with large cities over like 100K or even over 200k. Where the game performs differently. And Cities is CPU bottlenecked not GPU bottlenecked.

And if you are gaming in 1440p or 4k mostly all games including BF1 are all GPU dependent and will be bottlenecked. So all of the CPU's pump out the same FPS. That is why you will see i5's with the same or within a handful of the same FPS as i7 even X99 chips at 1440p. And that is even with Titans and Dual Titans. Since there are no 1080TI benchmarks out yet.

If you are gaming at 1440p and especially if you want to hit top FPS I would say dump your money into the GPU. The best GPU you can afford. Even if that means dropping down to an i5. In straight FPS for gaming at 1440p it won't matter on most games as its all about the GPU. Cities Skylines is a different beast. People complain about the i5 on BF1 when they are gaming at 1080p and have like a GTX 1080 because the GPU is writing frames faster than the CPU can handle it. But at 1440p and 4k even the i5 is basically faster than any GPU. Same thing goes for 4K. You will see 3rd Gen Intel basically putting up the same FPS as Kabylake 7th gen because its maxs out whatever GPU you are using.

I would also stick with 16gb of RAM for strictly gaming. Unless you going quad channel ram on a X99 platform. I would assume you are looking to overclock if not why buy a K processor? And when you overclock you will also overclock the RAM and it is always easier to overclock 2 sticks of ram on a dual board than 4. For the most part those 2 sticks will run much faster than 4 sticks. And FPS is about RAM frequency not really how much ram you got once we are talking 8-16gb+ RAM sizes.

And if you are buying Kabylake i5/i7 you absolutely 100% want to overclock. So do not skimp out on your PSU and you heatsink/cooler. They are extremely important.
 

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And if you are buying Kabylake i5/i7 you absolutely 100% want to overclock. So do not skimp out on your PSU and you heatsink/cooler. They are extremely important.

This is probably the best advice you've had in the thread. I use this list when people ask me about PSUs,. Tier 2 for gaming rig, Tier 1 for overclocked gaming rig http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

one more time, in case it's not clear enough :)
 

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The performance issues are engine related. It doesn't really matter how bleeding edge your PC is, if you are into detailing or big cities, you are gonna have 20-30 fps no matter what, maybe 40 if you're looking at something away from the city. The beefiest hardware can only do so much. I have a 4790k @ 4.7 GHz, 32gb of ram, Fury X, and the game runs like crap once you start getting into the meat of the game. Some people are fine with that, but if you have a 144hz monitor and are used to high FPS, it really is hard to ignore.

The devs said it themselves on the reddit ama, they gimped the game so it would run on lower end hardware. That is where they make their money. They could optimize it for high end hardware but they have no incentive to do so. It would exclude a chunk of users who have dog shit PC's that want to play the game.

C:S is what it is, it's unfortunate because it has so much potential, but were stuck with what we've got. It's fun and a great game don't get me wrong, I tell all my friends to buy it, but it could be so much better if it actually scaled properly on high end hardware and devs made real changes instead of giving us weak cosmetic DLC's.
 

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You'll see little to no difference in this game. My high end E5-1650 v4 (i7 6800k) 6-core with 32gb ran and rx 480 8GB on a 1080p monitor still only gets around 30 fps zoomed in and 40 fps zoomed out. An i7 upgrade (4000 series) will give a little bump at a reasonable price if you use lots of mods and assets. same with 32gb ram. upgrade you ddr3.

A new expensive system is going to be money down the drain for this game. Your i5 should be doing fairly well. You never did post your current performance numbers to give us an idea of what needs improving. also the size of yuour city. i.e. city size and population
 

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Can I just highjack this thread for a moment?
I currently have 8GB of RAM and I'm having issues loading the game when I want to use many assets. Would it make a difference if I bit the bullet and forked out $60US for another 8GB stick of RAM (16GB total)? Would I actually be able to load 1000ish assets without my computer freezing up?

The other issue is, I wonder if it's my processor. I have a Pentium G3258 3.2Ghz which is a pretty trash processor (I built my PC as a poor university student) compared to higher end ones. So am I limited that way no matter how much RAM I have? Unfortunately upgrading the CPU is a lot more expensive (and it's not a simple matter of just clipping it into place) and I'm too much of a b!tch to overclock the thing out of fear of frying it and having to fork out a couple hundred dollars for a new CPU. Because I'm a cheap bastard (who spends all his money on Paradox games).
 

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When you use many many assets 8GB might be limiting. The processor is definetely not helping though. Just start the game and look how much RAM you use in the task manager. I'd say if you want to play smoothly with 1000ish assets you'd have to upgrade everything quite a bit. But C:S will slow down anyway at some number of citizens no matter what.

And I've yet to see someone making realistic use of 32 GB RAM while gaming, without intentionally starting a shitton of other programs just to prove that you could use it all if you try really hard.
 

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Be careful when putting together two sets of RAM. You will need the exact same specification to have any hope of success. If the timings are different you'll be unstable. If the chips are from different ends of the bin you'll be unstable. Read up on product binning to understand what I'm on about. The wikipedia page is a very brief overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning

If you want success with a RAM upgrade then you should buy a whole new set otherwise you're risking wasting your money.
 

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Well at the end I decided to go with an 7700k, 16gb RAM, and a 1080ti so I will have to wait until they are released, hopefully beginning of April. I'll post how does it perform in CS :)